Tue November 22, 2016 4:15 am
LoathedVermin72 wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:LoathedVermin72 wrote:bada wrote:Seems like a gamble for the Dems. What if latinos end up being more conservative than they assume?
I don't really know why it's assumed they wouldn't be conservative. Liberal race condescension, I guess?
My own mistake was assuming that immigration policy would be their primary motivator for voting.
So...liberace condescension?
Tue November 22, 2016 4:30 am
Tue November 22, 2016 4:35 am
Tue November 22, 2016 5:05 pm
And in the case of Californians moving to Idaho, it shifted the state hard to the right. I'd imagine the same ended up true for a state like Arizona which is the Florida of the West in this discussion.Electromatic wrote:The New York to Florida exodus has been happening for 60+ years.96583UP wrote:500,000 new york or califormia residents move to florida and this problem ends
Tue November 22, 2016 5:10 pm
Catholicism doesn't side along today's left/right split well. Ideologically, it's common to be incredibly pro-life but also incredibly anti-death penalty, for one. Politically, Catholics long sided with Democrats due to the GOP pandering to anti-Catholic bigotry. If the GOP continues to pander to anti-Latino bigotry it's easy to see Mexican-Americans pull hard left despite any ideological commonalities Catholicism may have with current right-wing sentiment.LoathedVermin72 wrote:There's a pretty deep strain of Catholicism among Mexican Americans, which I imagine must push a lot of them right.
Tue November 22, 2016 5:10 pm
LoathedVermin72 wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:LoathedVermin72 wrote:bada wrote:Seems like a gamble for the Dems. What if latinos end up being more conservative than they assume?
I don't really know why it's assumed they wouldn't be conservative. Liberal race condescension, I guess?
My own mistake was assuming that immigration policy would be their primary motivator for voting.
So...liberal race condescension?
LoathedVermin72 wrote:There's a pretty deep strain of Catholicism among Mexican Americans, which I imagine must push a lot of them right.
Tue November 22, 2016 6:24 pm
Green Habit wrote:Catholicism doesn't side along today's left/right split well. Ideologically, it's common to be incredibly pro-life but also incredibly anti-death penalty, for one. Politically, Catholics long sided with Democrats due to the GOP pandering to anti-Catholic bigotry. If the GOP continues to pander to anti-Latino bigotry it's easy to see Mexican-Americans pull hard left despite any ideological commonalities Catholicism may have with current right-wing sentiment.LoathedVermin72 wrote:There's a pretty deep strain of Catholicism among Mexican Americans, which I imagine must push a lot of them right.
Tue November 22, 2016 7:51 pm
Self wrote:Green Habit wrote:Catholicism doesn't side along today's left/right split well. Ideologically, it's common to be incredibly pro-life but also incredibly anti-death penalty, for one. Politically, Catholics long sided with Democrats due to the GOP pandering to anti-Catholic bigotry. If the GOP continues to pander to anti-Latino bigotry it's easy to see Mexican-Americans pull hard left despite any ideological commonalities Catholicism may have with current right-wing sentiment.LoathedVermin72 wrote:There's a pretty deep strain of Catholicism among Mexican Americans, which I imagine must push a lot of them right.
Massachusetts is 44% Catholic.
Tue November 22, 2016 8:05 pm
Self wrote:Green Habit wrote:Catholicism doesn't side along today's left/right split well. Ideologically, it's common to be incredibly pro-life but also incredibly anti-death penalty, for one. Politically, Catholics long sided with Democrats due to the GOP pandering to anti-Catholic bigotry. If the GOP continues to pander to anti-Latino bigotry it's easy to see Mexican-Americans pull hard left despite any ideological commonalities Catholicism may have with current right-wing sentiment.LoathedVermin72 wrote:There's a pretty deep strain of Catholicism among Mexican Americans, which I imagine must push a lot of them right.
Massachusetts is 44% Catholic.
Tue November 22, 2016 8:48 pm
cutuphalfdead wrote:Self wrote:Green Habit wrote:Catholicism doesn't side along today's left/right split well. Ideologically, it's common to be incredibly pro-life but also incredibly anti-death penalty, for one. Politically, Catholics long sided with Democrats due to the GOP pandering to anti-Catholic bigotry. If the GOP continues to pander to anti-Latino bigotry it's easy to see Mexican-Americans pull hard left despite any ideological commonalities Catholicism may have with current right-wing sentiment.LoathedVermin72 wrote:There's a pretty deep strain of Catholicism among Mexican Americans, which I imagine must push a lot of them right.
Massachusetts is 44% Catholic.
Yup, and a lot of them are liberals who disagree with Church doctrine on many social issues.
E.H. Ruddock wrote:That sounds awful
Mon December 19, 2016 11:12 pm
Mon December 19, 2016 11:15 pm
E.H. Ruddock wrote:I'm glad all those social media posts the last six weeks calling for the EC to switch their vote got heard today
Mon December 19, 2016 11:41 pm
Mon December 19, 2016 11:41 pm
Strat wrote:E.H. Ruddock wrote:I'm glad all those social media posts the last six weeks calling for the EC to switch their vote got heard today
So this is how democracy dies. With thunderous applause.
Mon December 19, 2016 11:43 pm
Strat wrote:E.H. Ruddock wrote:I'm glad all those social media posts the last six weeks calling for the EC to switch their vote got heard today
So this is how democracy dies. With thunderous applause.
Wed December 21, 2016 4:43 pm
Wed December 21, 2016 9:29 pm
Bi_3 wrote:Interesting: If you don't count CA, Trump won by 1.4 million votes.
Wed December 21, 2016 9:34 pm
Wed December 21, 2016 9:41 pm
McParadigm wrote:Bi_3 wrote:Interesting: If you don't count CA, Trump won by 1.4 million votes.
Interesting: if you don't count Texas and Alabama, Clinton won by over 4 million votes.
Or maybe interesting isn't the word.
Wed December 21, 2016 9:47 pm
Bi_3 wrote:McParadigm wrote:Bi_3 wrote:Interesting: If you don't count CA, Trump won by 1.4 million votes.
Interesting: if you don't count Texas and Alabama, Clinton won by over 4 million votes.
Or maybe interesting isn't the word.
4.27 million vote margin for Clinton in CA is pretty big. She had about the same number of votes there as total people that voted in TX. It's interesting in the sense that CA is so powerful that direct-democracy-wise they would essentially rule the country. Maybe that is enough of an argument to keep the electoral college.