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Agreed. This still needs to be a continuous Democratic Party plank until it goes away, though.digster wrote:I don't think Republicans and smaller states will ever, ever agree to it. The trends that favor Democrats in the popular vote and Republicans in the Electoral College are likely to continue, so Republicans don't really have an incentive to go along.
I can only think of one feasible way to get rid of it, and I split these posts off because I'm going to make a large post describing how to do it.digster wrote:I think the only chance if there is some type of discrepancy between the popular vote and Electoral College winner that is just untenable. Clinton's going to probably win by between 1 million and 2 million votes, so I don't know at what point the number is just too high.
Mon November 14, 2016 1:52 pm
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Mon November 14, 2016 3:32 pm
I split this off from the main election thread to keep the fun debates going in there!B wrote:Nick, why do you ruin fun debates with long posts full of knowledge and reason?
Mon November 14, 2016 4:18 pm
digster wrote:There was a telling moment on Meet the Press this weekend with Kellyanne Conway, speaking for Trump. Todd talked about the issues with the higher popular vote totals overtaking Trump, in contrast to the Electoral College. Conway said, and I'm paraphrasing, "yeah, but those are city voters." Republicans can see the writing on the wall, and know that their chances would be diminished in a popular vote contest. If it hurt both parties, I could envision a way out, but I really feel the only thing that will change it is a popular vote discrepancy so extreme that politicians don't really have a choice.
Mon November 14, 2016 4:50 pm
Unless state legislatures keep inventing chickenshit ways to keep those cities down...B wrote:I think that's a dangerous bet. There was a lot of discussion about Texas, Georgia, and Arizona being in play.digster wrote:There was a telling moment on Meet the Press this weekend with Kellyanne Conway, speaking for Trump. Todd talked about the issues with the higher popular vote totals overtaking Trump, in contrast to the Electoral College. Conway said, and I'm paraphrasing, "yeah, but those are city voters." Republicans can see the writing on the wall, and know that their chances would be diminished in a popular vote contest. If it hurt both parties, I could envision a way out, but I really feel the only thing that will change it is a popular vote discrepancy so extreme that politicians don't really have a choice.
Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Charlotte, Nashville, Memphis, and Phoenix are going to keep growing until southern states start flipping to blue. It's not like people ONLY move to New York and LA.
Mon November 14, 2016 5:13 pm
Green Habit wrote:Unless state legislatures keep inventing chickenshit ways to keep those cities down...B wrote:I think that's a dangerous bet. There was a lot of discussion about Texas, Georgia, and Arizona being in play.digster wrote:There was a telling moment on Meet the Press this weekend with Kellyanne Conway, speaking for Trump. Todd talked about the issues with the higher popular vote totals overtaking Trump, in contrast to the Electoral College. Conway said, and I'm paraphrasing, "yeah, but those are city voters." Republicans can see the writing on the wall, and know that their chances would be diminished in a popular vote contest. If it hurt both parties, I could envision a way out, but I really feel the only thing that will change it is a popular vote discrepancy so extreme that politicians don't really have a choice.
Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Charlotte, Nashville, Memphis, and Phoenix are going to keep growing until southern states start flipping to blue. It's not like people ONLY move to New York and LA.
Also (and on somewhat a similar note), the growth of each metro as a whole is also important to watch. Cities proper may be solidly Democratic but it doesn't matter if they can't also get some suburbs within the metro to flip as well.
Fri November 18, 2016 4:08 pm
B wrote:Green Habit wrote:Unless state legislatures keep inventing chickenshit ways to keep those cities down...B wrote:I think that's a dangerous bet. There was a lot of discussion about Texas, Georgia, and Arizona being in play.digster wrote:There was a telling moment on Meet the Press this weekend with Kellyanne Conway, speaking for Trump. Todd talked about the issues with the higher popular vote totals overtaking Trump, in contrast to the Electoral College. Conway said, and I'm paraphrasing, "yeah, but those are city voters." Republicans can see the writing on the wall, and know that their chances would be diminished in a popular vote contest. If it hurt both parties, I could envision a way out, but I really feel the only thing that will change it is a popular vote discrepancy so extreme that politicians don't really have a choice.
Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Charlotte, Nashville, Memphis, and Phoenix are going to keep growing until southern states start flipping to blue. It's not like people ONLY move to New York and LA.
Also (and on somewhat a similar note), the growth of each metro as a whole is also important to watch. Cities proper may be solidly Democratic but it doesn't matter if they can't also get some suburbs within the metro to flip as well.
Well, it won't just be Texans moving to Houson. Liberals are going to move from other parts of the country. Conversatives are going to move in from rural areas and become more liberal because they're exposed to the diversity of cities. State legislatures can't do anything to stop either of those trends.
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Mon November 21, 2016 3:09 pm
96583UP wrote:500,000 new york or califormia residents move to florida and this problem ends
Tue November 22, 2016 3:58 am
Electromatic wrote:96583UP wrote:500,000 new york or califormia residents move to florida and this problem ends
The New York to Florida exodus has been happening for 60+ years.
Tue November 22, 2016 4:00 am
bada wrote:Seems like a gamble for the Dems. What if latinos end up being more conservative than they assume?
Tue November 22, 2016 4:08 am
LoathedVermin72 wrote:bada wrote:Seems like a gamble for the Dems. What if latinos end up being more conservative than they assume?
I don't really know why it's assumed they wouldn't be conservative. Liberal race condescension, I guess?
Tue November 22, 2016 4:10 am
tragabigzanda wrote:LoathedVermin72 wrote:bada wrote:Seems like a gamble for the Dems. What if latinos end up being more conservative than they assume?
I don't really know why it's assumed they wouldn't be conservative. Liberal race condescension, I guess?
My own mistake was assuming that immigration policy would be their primary motivator for voting.