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 Post subject: Re: State Preemption
PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 4:50 pm 
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We have stopped using our cloth grocery bags because A) plastic bags get re-used in our bathroom trash bins, and B) paper bags get re-used for either recycling of other paper products, or for our cat to play with.

A doesn't really matter because those plastic bags you reuse still eventually end up in the trash.

but it's better than purchasing news mini trash bags, or even using no bags but then having to use water and detergent to clean out scummy garbage receptacles.


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 Post subject: Re: State Preemption
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tragabigzanda wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
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We have stopped using our cloth grocery bags because A) plastic bags get re-used in our bathroom trash bins, and B) paper bags get re-used for either recycling of other paper products, or for our cat to play with.

A doesn't really matter because those plastic bags you reuse still eventually end up in the trash.

but it's better than purchasing news mini trash bags, or even using no bags but then having to use water and detergent to clean out scummy garbage receptacles.

What if you used a biodegradable bag of some sort? A paper grocery bag fits just fine in a bathroom trash bin.

I haven't completely weened myself off of plastic grocery bags either, but saying they're ok if you reuse them is really dumb.


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 Post subject: Re: State Preemption
PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 5:03 pm 
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cutuphalfdead wrote:
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cutuphalfdead wrote:
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We have stopped using our cloth grocery bags because A) plastic bags get re-used in our bathroom trash bins, and B) paper bags get re-used for either recycling of other paper products, or for our cat to play with.

A doesn't really matter because those plastic bags you reuse still eventually end up in the trash.

but it's better than purchasing news mini trash bags, or even using no bags but then having to use water and detergent to clean out scummy garbage receptacles.

What if you used a biodegradable bag of some sort? A paper grocery bag fits just fine in a bathroom trash bin.

I haven't completely weened myself off of plastic grocery bags either, but saying they're ok if you reuse them is really dumb.

I feel like the jury is still out on biodegradable disposables. This book makes a compelling case that due to the lack of oxygen in landfills, most biodegradable items don't break down for many years longer than if they were in a compost bin:

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He tells an anecdote about some food -- a piece of cake maybe? -- that was discovered deep in a landfill. By comparing it with adjacent refuse (receipts and magazines and whatnot), they could date the cake to being some years old, yet it looked like a brand new slice...

Meanwhile, composting is illegal here in Big Sky, due to the bears. So there's no great way for me to feel good about using biodegradable stuff that's headed for a landfill. Nevertheless, nearly all of our disposable products for the ice cream co are biodegradable, but it's more of a marketing/image thing. Customers don't want to hear my Garbology diatribe while they're enjoying an ice cream cone, you know?


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 Post subject: Re: State Preemption
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plastic grocery bags are still awful


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 Post subject: Re: State Preemption
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Now you're just being irrational.


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 Post subject: Re: State Preemption
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I tried one of those in-the-ground composting things for dog shit once, but it is so hot and humid here that it didn't work very well and just made you automatically throw up if you came within 10 feet of it due to the smell. So plastic bags it remains for picking up dog shit.

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 Post subject: Re: State Preemption
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tragabigzanda wrote:
He tells an anecdote about some food -- a piece of cake maybe? -- that was discovered deep in a landfill. By comparing it with adjacent refuse (receipts and magazines and whatnot), they could date the cake to being some years old, yet it looked like a brand new slice...


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 Post subject: Re: State Preemption
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Hehe, I was thinking the same thing


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 Post subject: Re: State Preemption
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I used store plastic bags and stuff like that for dog poop, but I had a neighbor who trained his dog to shit on command in specific corner of their yard. Then he'd scoop it into a paper grocery bag. When that was full he tossed it. The dog never shit when he was going for walk.

No way I could be committed enough to train my dog to shit on command.

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 Post subject: Re: State Preemption
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cutuphalfdead wrote:
A paper grocery bag fits just fine in a bathroom trash bin.

wtf


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 Post subject: Re: State Preemption
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bart wrote:
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A paper grocery bag fits just fine in a bathroom trash bin.

wtf

Shut up I was just digging in.


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 Post subject: Re: State Preemption
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cutuphalfdead wrote:
bart wrote:
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A paper grocery bag fits just fine in a bathroom trash bin.

wtf

Shut up I was just digging in.

Bart, I had you all wrong. You are a good man after all.


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 Post subject: Re: State Preemption
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tragabigzanda wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
bart wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
A paper grocery bag fits just fine in a bathroom trash bin.

wtf

Shut up I was just digging in.

Bart, I had you all wrong. You are a good man after all.

No, I actually am an arrogant dickhead.


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 Post subject: Re: State Preemption
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SB 827 goes down in flames.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/17/ ... e-hearing/

Although I strongly support the goals behind the bill, I strongly opposed this as being the wrong way to do it. Had California legitimized state preemption in favor of density, I guarantee you that other states would see an opening to do the same in favor of sprawl. Work harder on getting better local officials.


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 Post subject: Re: State Preemption
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cutuphalfdead wrote:
plastic grocery bags are still awful


We have a $0.05 fee for those here in the People's Republic, but instituting that had little effect. It wasn't until local businesses started giving away reusable bags with brand names on them and the bags became a type of social signalling that there was a shift.

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 Post subject: Re: State Preemption
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cutuphalfdead wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
We have stopped using our cloth grocery bags because A) plastic bags get re-used in our bathroom trash bins, and B) paper bags get re-used for either recycling of other paper products, or for our cat to play with.

A doesn't really matter because those plastic bags you reuse still eventually end up in the trash.




Plastic is close to 30% fossil fuels (think oil, exxon) and a large portion of that ends up in the oceans.

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 Post subject: Re: State Preemption
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Bi_3 wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
plastic grocery bags are still awful


We have a $0.05 fee for those here in the People's Republic, but instituting that had little effect. It wasn't until local businesses started giving away reusable bags with brand names on them and the bags became a type of social signalling that there was a shift.


I was at my local market, and they were selling paper grocery bags by the 10 pack or whatever in the storage container/ bag aisle. Why not just go with paper?

The free, thin plastic bags have been replaced by the thicker 2.5 mil (I assume they mean thousandths of an inch) thick HDPE. They are theoretically reusable, but how may people do so?

The difference in mass between the old style plastic, and the newer ones makes me question whether anything has been improved. I'd wager no, but at least the new bags won't be featured in American Beauty II as they are not quite as easy propelled by the wind.


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 Post subject: Re: State Preemption
PostPosted: Thu April 26, 2018 10:02 am 
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Idaho is taking a stand against 'sanctuary cities'.


I guess no Canadians?

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