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 Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
PostPosted: Mon November 06, 2017 1:56 am 
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Well geez, I'm glad that guy was there.

Advocating for stricter gun control doesn't mean saying literally nobody in the world should ever have guns.

Tell that to the conservative side of the argument....


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“Evil is evil is evil and will use the weaponry that is available.” - Ted Cruz, speaking against expanding gun control on CNN

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 Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
PostPosted: Tue November 07, 2017 3:54 am 
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Oh for fucks sake. THis guy slipped through the fucking cracks, spent time in jail, dishonorable discharge, and he was still able to purchase a fucking gun. Not just a gun...an assault rifle. A - at this point - weapon of mass destruction.

My god. How do these people sleep at night?


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PostPosted: Tue November 07, 2017 2:25 pm 
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Maybe we should listen to him. He IS a policy wonk.

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 Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
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I'm sure it's been said, but they were literally praying when it happened! I'm pretty sure prayer didn't work. God was looking at them and grabbed a box of popcorn instead of hitting the "stop the shooter with prayers" button.

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Maybe they weren't praying about not getting shot? You've gotta focus on your wishes for it to work properly.


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 Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
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You know what might help? Buying these companies and shutting down the production lines for these types of guns. Their markets caps are less than a $1B a piece so some do-gooder billionaire could buy controlling shares and force them to stop.


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That's logical.


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You know what might help? Buying these companies and shutting down the production lines for these types of guns. Their markets caps are less than a $1B a piece so some do-gooder billionaire could buy controlling shares and force them to stop.

Umm...

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E.H. Ruddock wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
You know what might help? Buying these companies and shutting down the production lines for these types of guns. Their markets caps are less than a $1B a piece so some do-gooder billionaire could buy controlling shares and force them to stop.

Umm...


Why not? Isnt that what drug companies do with their competitors?


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Bi_3 wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
You know what might help? Buying these companies and shutting down the production lines for these types of guns. Their markets caps are less than a $1B a piece so some do-gooder billionaire could buy controlling shares and force them to stop.

Umm...


Why not? Isnt that what drug companies do with their competitors?


And how would that help?


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jwfocker wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
You know what might help? Buying these companies and shutting down the production lines for these types of guns. Their markets caps are less than a $1B a piece so some do-gooder billionaire could buy controlling shares and force them to stop.

Umm...


Why not? Isnt that what drug companies do with their competitors?


And how would that help?

Exactly. Some liberal billionaire could buy out the company, and that is just inviting another gun company to step in and produce the gun that is still in demand. So, unless these left wing billionaires buy ALL of the gun makers, and no other gun makers pop up, it isn't feasible. Demand will always be there to create the supply as far as guns go.

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Also, there are too many gun loving people in the U.S. So, until there is a huge change in people's perception of guns, gun control will never be successful in the US. It isn't just stopping the gun makers, it is stopping all of the people that want guns.

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jwfocker wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
You know what might help? Buying these companies and shutting down the production lines for these types of guns. Their markets caps are less than a $1B a piece so some do-gooder billionaire could buy controlling shares and force them to stop.

Umm...


Why not? Isnt that what drug companies do with their competitors?


And how would that help?


Well, the top four gun companies make about 200,000 AR-15 style rifles every year. If you could interfere with the manufacture of new ones, the problem would stop growing so fast. it would take a years for the other manufactures to retool to fill the void.


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Bi_3 wrote:
jwfocker wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
You know what might help? Buying these companies and shutting down the production lines for these types of guns. Their markets caps are less than a $1B a piece so some do-gooder billionaire could buy controlling shares and force them to stop.

Umm...


Why not? Isnt that what drug companies do with their competitors?


And how would that help?


Well, the top four gun companies make about 200,000 AR-15 style rifles every year. If you could interfere with the manufacture of new ones, the problem would stop growing so fast. it would take a years for the other manufactures to retool to fill the void.



Oh I got that part but it's so absurd I didn't think you were serious. Billionaires don't do that. It's why they're billionaires.


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God i hate america


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jwfocker wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
jwfocker wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
You know what might help? Buying these companies and shutting down the production lines for these types of guns. Their markets caps are less than a $1B a piece so some do-gooder billionaire could buy controlling shares and force them to stop.

Umm...


Why not? Isnt that what drug companies do with their competitors?


And how would that help?


Well, the top four gun companies make about 200,000 AR-15 style rifles every year. If you could interfere with the manufacture of new ones, the problem would stop growing so fast. it would take a years for the other manufactures to retool to fill the void.



Oh I got that part but it's so absurd I didn't think you were serious. Billionaires don't do that. It's why they're billionaires.



Edit: enough arguments. You’re right


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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html


I used to think gun control was the answer.
By Leah Libresco
October 3
Leah Libresco is a statistician and former newswriter at FiveThirtyEight, a data journalism site. She is the author of “Arriving at Amen.”

Before I started researching gun deaths, gun-control policy used to frustrate me. I wished the National Rifle Association would stop blocking common-sense gun-control reforms such as banning assault weapons, restricting silencers, shrinking magazine sizes and all the other measures that could make guns less deadly.

Then, my colleagues and I at FiveThirtyEight spent three months analyzing all 33,000 lives ended by guns each year in the United States, and I wound up frustrated in a whole new way. We looked at what interventions might have saved those people, and the case for the policies I’d lobbied for crumbled when I examined the evidence. The best ideas left standing were narrowly tailored interventions to protect subtypes of potential victims, not broad attempts to limit the lethality of guns.

I researched the strictly tightened gun laws in Britain and Australia and concluded that they didn’t prove much about what America’s policy should be. Neither nation experienced drops in mass shootings or other gun related-crime that could be attributed to their buybacks and bans. Mass shootings were too rare in Australia for their absence after the buyback program to be clear evidence of progress. And in both Australia and Britain, the gun restrictions had an ambiguous effect on other gun-related crimes or deaths.

When I looked at the other oft-praised policies, I found out that no gunowner walks into the store to buy an “assault weapon.” It’s an invented classification that includes any semi-automatic that has two or more features, such as a bayonet mount, arocket-propelled grenade-launcher mount, a folding stock or a pistol grip. But guns are modular, and any hobbyist can easily add these features at home, just as if they were snapping together Legos.

The Washington Post Editorial Board appeals to Trump and Congress to stand up to the gun lobby and prevent mass shootings. (Adriana Usero, Kate Woodsome/The Washington Post)
As for silencers — they deserve that name only in movies, where they reduce gunfire to a soft puick puick. In real life, silencers limit hearing damage for shooters but don’t make gunfire dangerously quiet. An AR-15 with a silencer is about as loud as a jackhammer. Magazine limits were a little more promising, but a practiced shooter could still change magazines so fast as to make the limit meaningless.

As my co-workers and I kept looking at the data, it seemed less and less clear that one broad gun-control restriction could make a big difference. Two-thirds of gun deaths in the United Statesevery year are suicides. Almost no proposed restriction would make it meaningfully harder for people with guns on hand to use them. I couldn't even answer my most desperate question: If I had a friend who had guns in his home and a history of suicide attempts, was there anything I could do that would help?

However, the next-largest set of gun deaths — 1 in 5 — were young men aged 15 to 34, killed in homicides. These men were most likely to die at the hands of other young men, often related to gang loyalties or other street violence. And the last notable group of similar deaths was the 1,700 women murdered per year, usually as the result of domestic violence. Far more people were killed in these ways than in mass-shooting incidents, but few of the popularly floated policies were tailored to serve them.

By the time we published our project, I didn’t believe in many of the interventions I’d heard politicians tout. I was still anti-gun, at least from the point of view of most gun owners, and I don’t want a gun in my home, as I think the risk outweighs the benefits. But I can’t endorse policies whose only selling point is that gun owners hate them. Policies that often seem as if they were drafted by people who have encountered guns only as a figure in a briefing book or an image on the news.

Instead, I found the most hope in more narrowly tailored interventions. Potential suicide victims, women menaced by their abusive partners and kids swept up in street vendettas are all in danger from guns, but they each require different protections.

Older men, who make up the largest share of gun suicides, need better access to people who could care for them and get them help. Women endangered by specific men need to be prioritized by police, who can enforce restraining orders prohibiting these men from buying and owning guns. Younger men at risk of violence need to be identified before they take a life or lose theirs and to be connected to mentors who can help them de-escalate conflicts.

Even the most data-driven practices, such as New Orleans’ plan to identify gang members for intervention based on previous arrests and weapons seizures, wind up more personal than most policies floated. The young men at risk can be identified by an algorithm, but they have to be disarmed one by one, personally — not en masse as though they were all interchangeable. A reduction in gun deaths is most likely to come from finding smaller chances for victories and expanding those solutions as much as possible. We save lives by focusing on a range of tactics to protect the different kinds of potential victims and reforming potential killers, not from sweeping bans focused on the guns themselves.


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