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 Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
PostPosted: Sat March 24, 2018 7:53 pm 
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LoathedVermin72 wrote:
Republicans won't do anything. Still gonna have to wait until we get more Dems in office. And even they tend to be giant pussies when it comes the Second Amendment, so...

I’d be shocked if anything substantial happens in the near future, but there are a lot of reasons this is impactful. Lots of voter registration and motivating happening today, for one thing, among people who will see this issue as the deciding factor in their vote.

But as much as anything else, this is a consequence of gun rights organizations and figureheads becoming more combative, trying intimidation and deception tactics, and tying themselves to other causes (ie this administration, zero legislation, and white nationalist groups) that suffer a severe popularity gap among both young people and other key growing voting groups.

It would honestly take very little for gun rights advocates to reform their image and create a seat at the table for themselves. They’d rather put Dana on tv talking shit, and trot out arguments that are barely clever enough for a truck stop bumper sticker display.

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 Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
PostPosted: Sat March 24, 2018 7:55 pm 
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Criminals and murderers don’t care about gun laws.

Strawman. The majority of the conversations are about laws that would reduce accessibility to military grade guns. That would put fewer on the streets regardless of a person's intention.


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Boy the gun nuts are really out in force today. :roll:

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elliseamos wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
Criminals and murderers don’t care about gun laws.

Strawman. The majority of the conversations are about laws that would reduce accessibility to military grade guns. That would put fewer on the streets regardless of a person's intention.

80% of mass shootings in USA are done with hand guns.


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PHATJ wrote:
elliseamos wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
Criminals and murderers don’t care about gun laws.

Strawman. The majority of the conversations are about laws that would reduce accessibility to military grade guns. That would put fewer on the streets regardless of a person's intention.

80% of mass shootings in USA are done with hand guns.

Good point. Ban them all.

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McParadigm wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
elliseamos wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
Criminals and murderers don’t care about gun laws.

Strawman. The majority of the conversations are about laws that would reduce accessibility to military grade guns. That would put fewer on the streets regardless of a person's intention.

80% of mass shootings in USA are done with hand guns.

Good point. Ban them all.

The areas of the country with the strictest gun laws and fewest armed citizens have the highest rate of gun crimes.


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PHATJ wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
elliseamos wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
Criminals and murderers don’t care about gun laws.

Strawman. The majority of the conversations are about laws that would reduce accessibility to military grade guns. That would put fewer on the streets regardless of a person's intention.

80% of mass shootings in USA are done with hand guns.

Good point. Ban them all.

The areas of the country with the strictest gun laws and fewest armed citizens have the highest rate of gun crimes.

And the countries that ban guns have the lowest.

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 Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
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LoathedVermin72 wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
elliseamos wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
Criminals and murderers don’t care about gun laws.

Strawman. The majority of the conversations are about laws that would reduce accessibility to military grade guns. That would put fewer on the streets regardless of a person's intention.

80% of mass shootings in USA are done with hand guns.

Good point. Ban them all.

The areas of the country with the strictest gun laws and fewest armed citizens have the highest rate of gun crimes.

And the countries that ban guns have the lowest.

Not true. Switzerland had one of the highest rates of gun ownership and nearly zero gun violence.


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PHATJ wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
elliseamos wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
Criminals and murderers don’t care about gun laws.

Strawman. The majority of the conversations are about laws that would reduce accessibility to military grade guns. That would put fewer on the streets regardless of a person's intention.

80% of mass shootings in USA are done with hand guns.

Good point. Ban them all.

The areas of the country with the strictest gun laws and fewest armed citizens have the highest rate of gun crimes.

And the countries that ban guns have the lowest.

Not true. Switzerland had one of the highest rates of gun ownership and nearly zero gun violence.


Phat, will you marry me? We can have an RM wedding. :heartbeat:


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This US city in Georgia has a law requiring all heads of households to own at least one firearm. Since the law was enacted in the 1980s they have had almost zero crime.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/06/us/kenne ... index.html


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StonyGold wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
elliseamos wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
Criminals and murderers don’t care about gun laws.

Strawman. The majority of the conversations are about laws that would reduce accessibility to military grade guns. That would put fewer on the streets regardless of a person's intention.

80% of mass shootings in USA are done with hand guns.

Good point. Ban them all.

The areas of the country with the strictest gun laws and fewest armed citizens have the highest rate of gun crimes.

And the countries that ban guns have the lowest.

Not true. Switzerland had one of the highest rates of gun ownership and nearly zero gun violence.


Phat, will you marry me? We can have an RM wedding. :heartbeat:

I will, Goldy. :heartbeat:


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Yes, put a gun in every house. That's the solution!

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LoathedVermin72 wrote:
Yes, put a gun in every house. That's the solution!

Evidence suggests proves it’s far more successful in deterring crime than banning guns.


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PHATJ wrote:
StonyGold wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
elliseamos wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
Criminals and murderers don’t care about gun laws.

Strawman. The majority of the conversations are about laws that would reduce accessibility to military grade guns. That would put fewer on the streets regardless of a person's intention.

80% of mass shootings in USA are done with hand guns.

Good point. Ban them all.

The areas of the country with the strictest gun laws and fewest armed citizens have the highest rate of gun crimes.

And the countries that ban guns have the lowest.

Not true. Switzerland had one of the highest rates of gun ownership and nearly zero gun violence.


Phat, will you marry me? We can have an RM wedding. :heartbeat:

I will, Goldy. :heartbeat:


This is the happiest day of my internet life. :cry:


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 Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
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PHATJ wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
Yes, put a gun in every house. That's the solution!

Evidence suggests proves it’s far more successful in deterring crime than banning guns.

Because of Switzerland and one town in Georgia?

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StonyGold wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
StonyGold wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
elliseamos wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
Criminals and murderers don’t care about gun laws.

Strawman. The majority of the conversations are about laws that would reduce accessibility to military grade guns. That would put fewer on the streets regardless of a person's intention.

80% of mass shootings in USA are done with hand guns.

Good point. Ban them all.

The areas of the country with the strictest gun laws and fewest armed citizens have the highest rate of gun crimes.

And the countries that ban guns have the lowest.

Not true. Switzerland had one of the highest rates of gun ownership and nearly zero gun violence.


Phat, will you marry me? We can have an RM wedding. :heartbeat:

I will, Goldy. :heartbeat:


This is the happiest day of my internet life. :cry:

I’ve never had an internet wedding before. I’m so excited!


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PHATJ wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
elliseamos wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
Criminals and murderers don’t care about gun laws.

Strawman. The majority of the conversations are about laws that would reduce accessibility to military grade guns. That would put fewer on the streets regardless of a person's intention.

80% of mass shootings in USA are done with hand guns.

Good point. Ban them all.

The areas of the country with the strictest gun laws and fewest armed citizens have the highest rate of gun crimes.

And the countries that ban guns have the lowest.

Not true. Switzerland had one of the highest rates of gun ownership and nearly zero gun violence.

Half of those are former service rifles in the hands of people who served, the number has dropped by half in the past few decades, and it’s one exception highly influenced by the culture of the country in question. If gun deaths there nearly matched Iraq, as ours does, that would change.

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LoathedVermin72 wrote:
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Yes, put a gun in every house. That's the solution!

Evidence suggests proves it’s far more successful in deterring crime than banning guns.

Because of Switzerland and one town in Georgia?

It is evidence. Combine that with the evidence that the cities with the strictest gun laws are also,the cities with the highest amounts of violent crimes and gun crimes, and yes, it obviously means something.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

No surprise that the US is on top.


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PHATJ wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
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Yes, put a gun in every house. That's the solution!

Evidence suggests proves it’s far more successful in deterring crime than banning guns.

Because of Switzerland and one town in Georgia?

It is evidence. Combine that with the evidence that the cities with the strictest gun laws are also,the cities with the highest amounts of violent crimes and gun crimes, and yes, it obviously means something.

It means you are cherry picking tiny stat details to suit your narrative

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