I'm appreciative that this isn't entirely laughed off.

Are we not talking about the effects of a country with stricter gun laws? Australia is a country, and you even brought them up.

That doesn't mean I view them as having the same challenges. There are millions upon millions of assault rifles in america spike and people are not giving them back. Time to shave your neck beard and go back to the drawing board.

I was only referencing the last paragraph of your post. But hey, you got to lash out me yet again and feel like a big man.

guns are dumb. america is dumb

thank you ill be here all night

the end

Who said anything about giving them away?
With the right incentive people will do anything.
Just look at B!

Are there not 2A weirdos in Maine?

Of course not.

But again, give my neighbor a reason (likely financial) to lessen the total number of guns he has and we'll improve our violence problem.

I'm not saying no guns at all.
I'm not saying all violence will go away.

Do you really think the guy who will take an extra few bucks in exchange for his gun is the same guy who ends up shooting up his former employer or church?

I’m on board with all of this

We've been talking about traffic stops, Mr. To_Trust, and the perception from police that everyone is packing heat. Fewer guns would lower the popo anxiety, no?

If we're talking about employers/churches/supermarkets/middle schools/movie theaters/Walmarts/brain doctors & their families/high schools/night clubs/district attorneys & their families/colleges/elementary schools then I'd think my previous list's inclusion of "making guns harder to get in the first place" was more specifically targeting (no pun intended) these types of events.

What's it like being so open minded your brains have leaked out of your ears?

Calmer than you are.

There's at least 400 million guns, and if proplerly stored they can last for centuries.

I guess you could successfully push gun culture underground, make it difficult to train and develop marksmanship. As far as decreasing the availability of guns, you might see some success in that after a generation or so. Good luck.

Whats the estimate of number of rounds of ammunition in civilan hands? Something in the billions? Boomers buy shotgun ammo by the quarter ton. Not sure about the storage lifespan of commercial ammo, but people are shooting military surplus from the 30s.

This is a good example of the “reality” argument in the reality vs. ideology game.

No man. If we all just circle jerk about this as hard as we all can we can win hearts and minds.

I truly do not understand this fixation with insurance. How would insurance work for intentional acts? How do you price that?

Is it insurance in case a third party gets ahold of your gun and misuses it? Most places already have legal penalties for that.

Functionally this just sounds like an annual tax on gun ownership. Rich whitey being the only one left with legal guns sounds like the end result.

What do you signify with your quotes? Are any of my numbers off?

I have every reason to believe your numbers are right, so Bammer's likely just referring to the line of conversation in the thread where someone said my ideas aren't realistic.

I appreciate your points, ss, but I still feel like it's like saying "too complicated" and shrugging at the problem.

I know there are people that will say, "what problem?"
I know there are people that will not do this voluntarily.
We all know people can be motivated to change and I would like to see people try.