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Where do you guys stand on Snowden

Mon May 23, 2016 11:30 pm

Just wondering

Re: Where do you guys stand on Snowden

Mon May 23, 2016 11:31 pm

American hero, and one of the most important men of the century so far. The President should pre-pardon him so he can come home.

Re: Where do you guys stand on Snowden

Mon May 23, 2016 11:35 pm

Well intentioned but ultimately harmful

Re: Where do you guys stand on Snowden

Mon May 23, 2016 11:36 pm

The Argonaut wrote:American hero, and one of the most important men of the century so far. The President should pre-pardon him so he can come home.


If Trump wins, I could see Obama doing this on the way out to fuck with him (however, I bet a Republican administration would find something to charge him with). However, if Clinton wins, I don't think Obama would wanna screw her like that (since her administration would continue the same policies regarding government leaks/data collection).

Re: Where do you guys stand on Snowden

Mon May 23, 2016 11:37 pm

That was unexpected but ok. Just our national broadcaster, which is usually the mouthpiece of the govt and our govt is usually falling over itself to appease the US govt, is showing the Snowden doco right now. I never read up on this but looks fucking scary what he's going through.

Re: Where do you guys stand on Snowden

Mon May 23, 2016 11:40 pm

Seems to me he's tellin the truth but it doesn't fit the US narrative and they're framing him as an enemy whereas the clever thing would be to involve him and let people make up their own mind.

Re: Where do you guys stand on Snowden

Mon May 23, 2016 11:43 pm

The Argonaut wrote:American hero, and one of the most important men of the century so far. The President should pre-pardon him so he can come home.

All of this. Any description of him that does not include the words "American hero" are completely off mark. And "not an American hero" doesn't count.

Re: Where do you guys stand on Snowden

Mon May 23, 2016 11:44 pm

tragabigzanda wrote:Well intentioned but ultimately harmful

I actually have great respect for the way he dumped his information as opposed to someone say Assange. Snowden understood that the information he obtained had to be vetted and responsibly published for public consumption. That's why he gave them to well regarded journalists.

Re: Where do you guys stand on Snowden

Mon May 23, 2016 11:50 pm

A weak man who was played by Russia to betray the entire Western world in exchange for celebrity as a false prophet.

Re: Where do you guys stand on Snowden

Tue May 24, 2016 12:07 am

Have you guys seen the trailer for that Oliver Stone movie? Yeesh. :shake:

Re: Where do you guys stand on Snowden

Tue May 24, 2016 12:07 am

Fuck Oliver Stone.

Re: Where do you guys stand on Snowden

Tue May 24, 2016 12:08 am

cutuphalfdead wrote:Fuck Oliver Stone.

I actually like Stone, but that movie looks brutal. What the fuck is JGL doing with his voice? :shake:

Re: Where do you guys stand on Snowden

Tue May 24, 2016 12:09 am

cutuphalfdead wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:Well intentioned but ultimately harmful

I actually have great respect for the way he dumped his information as opposed to someone say Assange. Snowden understood that the information he obtained had to be vetted and responsibly published for public consumption. That's why he gave them to well regarded journalists.

Sold!

Re: Where do you guys stand on Snowden

Tue May 24, 2016 12:10 am

LoathedVermin72 wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:Fuck Oliver Stone.

I actually like Stone, but that movie looks brutal. What the fuck is JGL doing with his voice? :shake:

Honestly I haven't seen the trailer you're talking about.

Re: Where do you guys stand on Snowden

Tue May 24, 2016 12:34 am

I don't know

Re: Where do you guys stand on Snowden

Tue May 24, 2016 12:48 am

BurtReynolds wrote:I don't know

Me either but I suspect I am probably generally aligned with b_i's position.

Re: Where do you guys stand on Snowden

Tue May 24, 2016 2:50 am

Snowden is a pussy. Fuck him.

Re: Where do you guys stand on Snowden

Tue May 24, 2016 2:52 am

Have you seen citizenfour?

Re: Where do you guys stand on Snowden

Tue May 24, 2016 4:39 pm

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Snowden is a pussy. Fuck him.

woah

Re: Where do you guys stand on Snowden

Tue May 24, 2016 4:39 pm

The Argonaut wrote:Have you seen citizenfour?

ok/good documentary
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