Birds in Hell wrote:This is history-before-your-eyes stuff.
Just incredible.
I'm curious as to why you're pro-Brexit. I haven't followed this thing at all or looked at the pros or cons of either side, so I can't have an informed debate. All I know is that everyone I know in the UK appears to be completely despondent right now. Those who aren't in bed, anyway.
Sinn Fein is talking about an Irish unification referendum in response. Don't think it would pass in the north but it's interesting regardless. They're saying they want vote of the whole island which would violate the Good Friday agreement.
Isn't there a bit of irony that after centuries of denying independence to the likes of Ireland, Scotland, India, Hong Kong, etc; many British are citing the desire for self determination as the reason to leave the EU?
If Britain wants in on the free trade market, it's almost certainly going to have to accept most of the regulations anyway, including free movement, which would negate the immigration control argument. And of course, now they wont have any say on those regulations.
Or, of course, they can negotiate a less favourable deal and pass the cost onto the taxpayer, and cut some stuff - and then everyone can go "Oooooh, right. So it wasn't just the EU that was shitty, but our government too? Dang."
I'm glad I'm many years away from pension age - plenty of time for things to settle down.
cutuphalfdead wrote:Sinn Fein is talking about an Irish unification referendum in response. Don't think it would pass in the north but it's interesting regardless. They're saying they want vote of the whole island which would violate the Good Friday agreement.
There is some sort of function for another poll of the people in the agreement and of course Sinn Fein are jumping up and down about it now, but Britain leaving is possibly catastrophic for Irelands economy. They're our biggest trading partner and the two countries depend on each other's performance deeply. Our government will not entertain SF pushing for reunification at all, this is gonna take 10 years to level off they're saying.
Birds in Hell wrote: ... the two main factors that would've most compelled me to vote Leave (where I able to): sovereignty, immigration.
I think it's an important symbolic victory too. It's deciding what kind of future you want to live in.
Exactly. And it's not like a giant TrumpWall suddenly appeared in the channel this morning. It's the usual social media hysterics.
cutuphalfdead wrote:Isn't there a bit of irony that after centuries of denying independence to the likes of Ireland, Scotland, India, Hong Kong, etc; many British are citing the desire for self determination as the reason to leave the EU?
cutuphalfdead wrote:Sinn Fein is talking about an Irish unification referendum in response. Don't think it would pass in the north but it's interesting regardless. They're saying they want vote of the whole island which would violate the Good Friday agreement.
There is some sort of function for another poll of the people in the agreement and of course Sinn Fein are jumping up and down about it now, but Britain leaving is possibly catastrophic for Irelands economy. They're our biggest trading partner and the two countries depend on each other's performance deeply. Our government will not entertain SF pushing for reunification at all, this is gonna take 10 years to level off they're saying.
I've been waiting for you all morning, David.
Someday, I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts on modern day Irish Republicanism.
dimejinky99 wrote:Like the man said. Brits went around colonising 90% of the world. And now they're complaining about immigration.
cutuphalfdead wrote:Isn't there a bit of irony that after centuries of denying independence to the likes of Ireland, Scotland, India, Hong Kong, etc; many British are citing the desire for self determination as the reason to leave the EU?
Sounds like they finally learned the right lesson. Self determination and sovereignty rule.