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Also, said Asner, unsuccessful efforts to prevent war in Iraq led to complacency among left-wing activists.
"We had a million people in the streets, for Christ's sake, protesting Iraq, which was about as illegal as you could find. Did it matter? Is George Bush being tried in the high courts of justice?" asks Asner. "We've been so God-damned stung in this country by false wars, repeatedly, that, how can you believe in any just war with the history we have had?"
Another reason some Hollywood progressives have been reticent to speak out against war in Syria, according to Asner, is fear of being called racist.
"A lot of people don't want to feel anti-black by being opposed to Obama," he said.
Post subject: Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Tue September 10, 2013 1:30 pm
Future Drummer
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German Intel Report: Intercepts caught Assad rejecting requests to use chemical weapons Syria: Accepted Russia's proposal to place its chemical weapons under international control for subsequent dismantling.
Carney: Tonight Obama will be seeking support for strike in Syria.
German Intel Report: Intercepts caught Assad rejecting requests to use chemical weapons Syria: Accepted Russia's proposal to place its chemical weapons under international control for subsequent dismantling.
Carney: Tonight Obama will be seeking support for strike in Syria.
Why? Until there is a deal, there is no deal, so you keep moving on.
Post subject: Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Tue September 10, 2013 2:06 pm
Future Drummer
Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 3:24 pm Posts: 2868 Location: Death Machine Inc's HQ
Fuck You Jobu wrote:
broken iris wrote:
German Intel Report: Intercepts caught Assad rejecting requests to use chemical weapons Syria: Accepted Russia's proposal to place its chemical weapons under international control for subsequent dismantling.
Carney: Tonight Obama will be seeking support for strike in Syria.
Why? Until there is a deal, there is no deal, so you keep moving on.
Towards war? If there is a chance for peace you should take it, especially if Syria has said they will allow the international agencies to take control of their chemical weapons.
German Intel Report: Intercepts caught Assad rejecting requests to use chemical weapons Syria: Accepted Russia's proposal to place its chemical weapons under international control for subsequent dismantling.
Carney: Tonight Obama will be seeking support for strike in Syria.
Why? Until there is a deal, there is no deal, so you keep moving on.
Towards war? If there is a chance for peace you should take it, especially if Syria has said they will allow the international agencies to take control of their chemical weapons.
Who says they aren't going to take it? The threat of war is what has pushed this deal and will be needed to complete it.
Post subject: Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Tue September 10, 2013 4:53 pm
Future Drummer
Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 3:24 pm Posts: 2868 Location: Death Machine Inc's HQ
Fuck You Jobu wrote:
broken iris wrote:
Fuck You Jobu wrote:
broken iris wrote:
German Intel Report: Intercepts caught Assad rejecting requests to use chemical weapons Syria: Accepted Russia's proposal to place its chemical weapons under international control for subsequent dismantling.
Carney: Tonight Obama will be seeking support for strike in Syria.
Why? Until there is a deal, there is no deal, so you keep moving on.
Towards war? If there is a chance for peace you should take it, especially if Syria has said they will allow the international agencies to take control of their chemical weapons.
Who says they aren't going to take it? The threat of war is what has pushed this deal and will be needed to complete it.
If I had to guess, and I am no policy wonk, just a troll on a PJ board, it was the chance to embarrass the US in the middle east that drove this, not the threat of war.
German Intel Report: Intercepts caught Assad rejecting requests to use chemical weapons Syria: Accepted Russia's proposal to place its chemical weapons under international control for subsequent dismantling.
Carney: Tonight Obama will be seeking support for strike in Syria.
Why? Until there is a deal, there is no deal, so you keep moving on.
Towards war? If there is a chance for peace you should take it, especially if Syria has said they will allow the international agencies to take control of their chemical weapons.
Who says they aren't going to take it? The threat of war is what has pushed this deal and will be needed to complete it.
If I had to guess, and I am no policy wonk, just a troll on a PJ board, it was the chance to embarrass the US in the middle east that drove this, not the threat of war.
Post subject: Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Tue September 10, 2013 7:25 pm
Future Drummer
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 7:52 pm Posts: 2508
It's almost like you don't want to comment on anything anymore, because who knows? We're all just trolls here.
But it'd make sense that Assad's (and his allies) only defense is to embarass the U.S. And with Obama's amateurish handling of the situation, that's not hard to do.
And I must say, as embarrassingly indecisive as Obama has been in handling this, I do like him weighing the options.
Post subject: Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Tue September 10, 2013 7:31 pm
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Joined: Thu January 03, 2013 2:59 am Posts: 275
Harry Lime wrote:
It's almost like you don't want to comment on anything anymore, because who knows? We're all just trolls here.
But it'd make sense that Assad's (and his allies) only defense is to embarass the U.S. And with Obama's amateurish handling of the situation, that's not hard to do.
And I must say, as embarrassingly indecisive as Obama has been in handling this, I do like him weighing the options.
I don't think Obama is weighing any options, he's made up his mind and wants to attack Syria. They spent the entire weekend saying there was no political solution and then Russia seized on Kerry's offhand remark to make the US look like idiots. Obama has no choice but to go through the motions of looking like he's weighing options. Whats going to happen is the US is going to make so many demands at the UN that China and Russia refuse to go along with the US and we're back to square one, lobbing missiles. Obama is clearly not a soccer fan scheduling his address at 9PM.
Post subject: Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Tue September 10, 2013 7:35 pm
Future Drummer
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 7:52 pm Posts: 2508
shinkdew wrote:
Harry Lime wrote:
It's almost like you don't want to comment on anything anymore, because who knows? We're all just trolls here.
But it'd make sense that Assad's (and his allies) only defense is to embarass the U.S. And with Obama's amateurish handling of the situation, that's not hard to do.
And I must say, as embarrassingly indecisive as Obama has been in handling this, I do like him weighing the options.
I don't think Obama is weighing any options, he's made up his mind and wants to attack Syria. They spent the entire weekend saying there was no political solution and then Russia seized on Kerry's offhand remark to make the US look like idiots. Obama has no choice but to go through the motions of looking like he's weighing options. Whats going to happen is the US is going to make so many demands at the UN that China and Russia refuse to go along with the US and we're back to square one, lobbing missiles. Obama is clearly not a soccer fan scheduling his address at 9PM.
He's a good, proper American. Monday Night Football is over. Now it's time to do the address. Soccer
Post subject: Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Tue September 10, 2013 11:51 pm
Future Drummer
Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 3:24 pm Posts: 2868 Location: Death Machine Inc's HQ
shinkdew wrote:
Harry Lime wrote:
It's almost like you don't want to comment on anything anymore, because who knows? We're all just trolls here.
But it'd make sense that Assad's (and his allies) only defense is to embarass the U.S. And with Obama's amateurish handling of the situation, that's not hard to do.
And I must say, as embarrassingly indecisive as Obama has been in handling this, I do like him weighing the options.
I don't think Obama is weighing any options, he's made up his mind and wants to attack Syria. They spent the entire weekend saying there was no political solution and then Russia seized on Kerry's offhand remark to make the US look like idiots. Obama has no choice but to go through the motions of looking like he's weighing options. Whats going to happen is the US is going to make so many demands at the UN that China and Russia refuse to go along with the US and we're back to square one, lobbing missiles. Obama is clearly not a soccer fan scheduling his address at 9PM.
I think he's smarter and better advised than W. was, so I gotta believe he wants the diplomatic solution on the table given the momentum against a strike. Fox News was on at the gym and they were theorizing, as Fox is want to do, that maybe this is a scripted act to make Putin look good as part of some larger deal to address Iran later. Seems dumb at first glance, but the government just happen to approve the huge Smithfield sale to China today, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that backroom deals are going down.
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