Our building is LEED certified, if that is enough to dispel YHWH's wrath.

ugh, what a racket that stamp is.

For the purposes of our conversation, I'm only concerned about what YHWH and his prophet Al Gore have to say about it.

First full interview with Pope Francis. Love this guy. And his favorite movie is La Strada.

It's a long interview:

http://www.americamagazine.org/pope-interview

In any event, this sort of "eye for an eye" theory is a far cry from "do unto others" or "love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." And that's why it's harder and harder to be a devout Christian involved in politics these days — even conservative politics.

It wasn't always this way. A couple decades ago, the Christian Coalition provided ground troops for the conservative movement. But today, perhaps having seen what happened to their parents' generation, many young Christians are choosing to be conscientious objectors in the culture wars. Some of this may be due to changing attitudes concerning some hot-button social issues. But there's also a growing sense among young Christians that political involvement, no matter how pure the original motives, is a corrupting force. Christians who attempt to be in this political world, but not of this political world, are constantly faced with ethical conundrums.

This is not a new dilemma. After experiencing a religious conversion, William Wilberforce nearly left the dirty business of politics, but was convinced to use his position in Parliament for good. And indeed, he lived to achieve his life's work of ending the British slave trade. To pull this off, Wilberforce relied on some hardball political tactics. But one could argue that his end justified any parliamentary trickery and cajoling required.

If you've seen the film Lincoln, you're familiar with the kind of horse-trading this required. Wilberforce is proof that spirituality and political involvement are not mutually exclusive. But for every Wilberforce, there are countless other men and women who have been dragged down by political involvement.

Plus, things have changed. People have always made exceptions to their moral code in times of war, and what is politics but a bloodless #war. But today, the warfare is asymmetrical. It's done on Twitter and at political rallies. The line of demarcation between "civilians" and political operatives has vanished. And the fighting never stops.

It's only natural that, once in the fight, conservatives would want to fight fire with fire. Once the other side ups the ante, to engage in unilateral disarmament is to surrender. We see this playing out right now during the government shutdown, where, in an effort to make sure the public feels as much pain as possible, the Obama administration is erecting "barry-cades" to keep people out of open-air memorials to World War I and World War II veterans. Conservatives responded by taking a page from Alinsky, who said, "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon," and mocking them mercilessly. This is effective, but once your game is mockery, it's hard to avoid descending into bitterness.

For Christians, political involvement has a way of breaking bad. The real danger is that over time, it has a coarsening effect, and that our political ranks and church pews alike will be filled full of Walter Whites who will do anything to achieve their goals. They are wise as serpents, but no longer innocent as doves. For what shall it profit a man if he should win the election, but lose his soul?

Pope Francis called right-wing Christian fundamentalism a sickness:






Huh. I wonder if the Cardinals are starting to regret electing this guy.

I can't believe how many people are falling for this Francis of Assisi shtick. You guys do know of this man's involvement in the Argentine dictatorship, right? And that he recently called homosexuality part of Satan's plan? Moreover, what actual change has come from all this pseudo-progressive bravado?

Jorge, I want to find out a bit more about the things you've mentioned here. I'll have a look myself of course, but if you have any links, I'd greatly appreciate it.

I can't believe how many people are falling for this Francis of Assisi shtick. You guys do know of this man's involvement in the Argentine dictatorship, right? And that he recently called homosexuality part of Satan's plan? Moreover, what actual change has come from all this pseudo-progressive bravado?

I can't believe how many people are falling for this Francis of Assisi shtick. You guys do know of this man's involvement in the Argentine dictatorship, right? And that he recently called homosexuality part of Satan's plan? Moreover, what actual change has come from all this pseudo-progressive bravado?

Yeah, the gay thing doesn't bother me as that's a bit too much change to hope for at this point (but hopefully not too much longer), but I am unaware of his history in SA. I'd be interested to learn more.

I can't believe how many people are falling for this Francis of Assisi shtick. You guys do know of this man's involvement in the Argentine dictatorship, right? And that he recently called homosexuality part of Satan's plan? Moreover, what actual change has come from all this pseudo-progressive bravado?

I'm not sure he even said the gay thing. I'd be interested in viewing a source.