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 Post subject: Re: Transgender Rights
PostPosted: Sun July 02, 2017 6:52 pm 
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Also, I'm pretty sure if the child born with a penis turns out to be cis male, then the U on his birth certificate won't really be a big deal to him.


Then why have the category at all if 99.7% percent of the population (or whatever the non-trans rate is) don't consider it a big deal? This particular situation reeks of white suburban liberal social signaling vs genuine concern for the well being of mature adults who choose to transition. Kids are going to see the biological differences pretty quickly and deconstruction of the label isnt going to reverse millions of years of mammalian evolution. Better to identify and remove the administrative burdens imposed by the state on the community than to indulge yet another progressive arms race.

Okay, but we do have the category right now, so that suggestion is of no practical use.


Mark everyone "M" and move on to real issues.

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 Post subject: Re: Transgender Rights
PostPosted: Tue July 04, 2017 2:04 pm 
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behold trudeau's canada

http://globalnews.ca/news/3568563/bc-ba ... arker/amp/

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In what could be the first case in the world, a B.C. baby has been issued a health card with the letter “U” for a sex marker.

It comes as the baby’s parent fights to allow their child to develop their own gender identity.

“We’re not actually asking to have anyone’s ID changed against their will. We’re just asking to change the structure of how identification, particularly the birth certificate, starts out,” Doty said.

Doty said the goal is for the child to discover their own gender identity — and so far the decision hasn’t been a problem, even when people ask if the baby is a boy or a girl.

“Often I’ll just say I don’t know yet, or I’m not rushing to apply those types of labels on this kid. Right now they’re just a baby.”



Why isn't the name Barbara Finlay capitalized in that article but their title Human Rights lawyer is?


Not a typo:

"My name is spelled without capital letters. People make many assumptions about why that is. Here is the story. I have always signed my name without capital letters. When I was taking a Master of Laws degree in 1990, I had letterhead designed and my name was in lower case. I liked it, so I continued it when I returned to private practice in 1992. What an uproar! Lawyers called me up to say that they had a vote in their firm about why I chose that spelling; a court rejected an Order because my name was not properly spelled; and the local queer newspaper refused for years to spell my name without capital letters.

I realized that I had a perfect illustration of how we react when someone moves even a tiny bit away from a norm of behaviour, even with respect to something that has no impact on anyone else. So I have kept that spelling, and I tell this story in unlearning oppression workshops."

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 Post subject: Re: Transgender Rights
PostPosted: Tue July 04, 2017 5:06 pm 
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Many RMers were way ahead on that issue.


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 Post subject: Re: Transgender Rights
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Many RMers were way ahead on that issue.

heh

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 Post subject: Re: Transgender Rights
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when people ask if the baby is a boy or a girl.

“Often I’ll just say I don’t know yet, or I’m not rushing to apply those types of labels on this kid. Right now they’re just a baby.”


:shake: I started this thread, and even I think this is liberalism run amock.

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 Post subject: Re: Transgender Rights
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when people ask if the baby is a boy or a girl.

“Often I’ll just say I don’t know yet, or I’m not rushing to apply those types of labels on this kid. Right now they’re just a baby.”


:shake: I started this thread, and even I think this is liberalism run amock.

my niece is gay, and has recently decided she no longer wants to identify as gender specific. she had surgery two months ago to remove her breasts (and had been binding them for a few years prior) and now insists on being referred to as "they". In general, ive always been very liberal but there's something wrong, it seems to me, when the lengths a person goes to in order to hold to their belief in a way of life has to necessarily include this level of extremism. I understand it's how she wants to live, i understand she feels she's happier having removed her breasts, i even understand her having changed her name to a non gender identifiable one, but im bothered by it on a very emotional/visceral level, and i hate to think, welp, im just not enlightening enough to get it, so poor me. It all feels more like a way to gain more attention than a way to find peace or happiness.

I fear even expressing my opinion about it, actually because i anticipate the usual blowback i get around here, but i don't understand why it's become so important to take such extreme measures. Is there no credence anymore to finding what's good and perfect in ourselves as we exist?

It feels similar to me as women who get breast implants, in an effort to draw positive attention to themselves from men. Is it that crucial to be whatever everyone else wants? I dont know, im pretty sure this all goes beyond my comprehension anymore. I love my niece, and have always gotten along with her very well, i just worry about the intention behind taking these kind of steps.

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 Post subject: Re: Transgender Rights
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Sounds like you are doing the right thing Malice. Trans suicide rates are actually higher post-op than pre-op so demonstrating that they still belong in the family is a powerful statement to make at an unbelievably difficult time.

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 Post subject: Re: Transgender Rights
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Yeah, I don't pretend to understand transgendered people in any way, shape, or form. When the issue involves an adult (or at least a teen), I'm fine to step back, hold my tongue, and let that person live how they need to live or do what they need to do. I guess I can even understand parents letting their small kids live the way they want to live based on their own knowledge of that kid.

I'm just lucky enough to not be in a position where any of my personal relationships are put at risk by my opinions. So, I don't have to test myself.

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 Post subject: Re: Transgender Rights
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/22/transgender-brain-scans-promised-study-shows-structural-differences/

No surprises there, genes drive 70%+ of our thoughts and actions.

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