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I've been saying for years -- there are now two rights (and the populist Trump one isn't remotely the worst), which is something you people haven't figured out yet.
I continue to agree with you that the majority of conservatives now primarily fall into two groups, but I don't agree that one is populist and the other isn't. Trump's rhetoric has never been very different from the rhetoric that Republicans have used to speak to their base since the Gingrich years, and it's certainly not much different from the Tea Party. It's just escalated, more openly stated, and much more willing to openly reject the legitimacy of any opposition.
And it is every bit as much driven towards plutocracy as it is fueled by populism.
The arms non-dealing/exporting obviously gets in the way of this plan. Hadn't read about that. It was based on the US's bragging about their successes against the soviets in Afghanistan.
Supposedly they are following the normal months long approval process, but you'd think they'd fast track it.
Germany's transparently scared of offending Russia. They'll sell anything to third world despots, but their high standards of export control preclude them from selling to Ukraine. France is being France.
Saw this yesterday and wasn't sure what to make of the flight plan:
Germany hasn't overtly blocked overflights, but the UK doesn't want any potential delays from such requests, and maybe to not put them in a position to reject them.
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BurtReynolds wrote:
elliseamos wrote:
To Burts thread post: Isn't it curious that for 4 years Dems connected Team Trump to Russia (and their partners) and Russia chooses now (when said team is out of office) to act this way? And the response from the right is to let Russia have what they want?
Yes, it is curious that he held off on acting in Russia's interests until he no longer had a Russian agent installed in The White House that would let him do whatever he wanted. So curious that it suggests that the fundamentals of the argument don't make no sense at all!
The response from the Right is muddled and conflicting because -- like I've been saying for years -- there are now two rights (and the populist Trump one isn't remotely the worst), which is something you people haven't figured out yet.
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McParadigm wrote:
Trump's rhetoric has never been very different from the rhetoric that Republicans have used to speak to their base since the Gingrich years, and it's certainly not much different from the Tea Party. It's just escalated, more openly stated, and much more willing to openly reject the legitimacy of any opposition.
It goes back further than that. Trumpism is Bircherism.
Trump's rhetoric has never been very different from the rhetoric that Republicans have used to speak to their base since the Gingrich years, and it's certainly not much different from the Tea Party. It's just escalated, more openly stated, and much more willing to openly reject the legitimacy of any opposition.
It goes back further than that. Trumpism is Bircherism.
I’m less interested in documenting the historical course of the rhetoric than in simply acknowledging that it is not entirely “different than.” I think the main distinction between the reality of Trump-era conservative populism and Burt’s romanticized vision of it is in the part you cut out:
McParadigm wrote:
And it is every bit as much driven towards plutocracy as it is fueled by populism.
An enigma of a man shaped hole in the wall between reality and the soul of the devil.
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I was only using the common label there. I'll let others argue over whether or not it's actually populist, though I will say that I think it's crazy to say it's as plutocratic or more plutocratic than the neocon right (and center left democrats for that matter.)
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McParadigm wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
I've been saying for years -- there are now two rights (and the populist Trump one isn't remotely the worst), which is something you people haven't figured out yet.
I continue to agree with you that the majority of conservatives now primarily fall into two groups, but I don't agree that one is populist and the other isn't. Trump's rhetoric has never been very different from the rhetoric that Republicans have used to speak to their base since the Gingrich years, and it's certainly not much different from the Tea Party. It's just escalated, more openly stated, and much more willing to openly reject the legitimacy of any opposition.
And it is every bit as much driven towards plutocracy as it is fueled by populism.
I think the bold part is just the natural outgrowth of the party’s need/attempts to join isolationist/populist beliefs with traditional free market ideology.
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Norris wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
Trump's rhetoric has never been very different from the rhetoric that Republicans have used to speak to their base since the Gingrich years, and it's certainly not much different from the Tea Party. It's just escalated, more openly stated, and much more willing to openly reject the legitimacy of any opposition.
It goes back further than that. Trumpism is Bircherism.
Perlstein gang.
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its really tiresome to see these ¨good guys¨ talking about any political stuff in tv while also being kinda funny and hip and cool....its just...please enough of this shit.
NATO allies have put forces on standby and sent ships and fighter jets to bolster Europe’s eastern defences as tensions soar over Russia’s military buildup near Ukraine.
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