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Post subject: Re: What's 1 seat between Labour and Tory?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 6:24 pm
Broken Tamborine
Joined: Thu January 31, 2013 7:26 pm Posts: 368
Green Habit wrote:
Let's all laugh at Rangers wrote:
Some are saying the election was rigged, but in my opinion Labour's failure to defend a Labour-SNP alliance has won the Tories the election.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that Labour now has no choice but to ally with SNP if they have any hope in the immediate future of prying Number 10 away from the Tories. How else would they be able to do it?
Bang on. Labour angered their own voters and gave them nothing to believe in. When you believe your vote will be wasted, rain is the last weather you need on the day and it chucked it down for most of the afternoon.
_________________ So basically, Johnson and May spent Trump's presidency fighting each other over how best to sell the NHS to Trump.
Post subject: Re: What's 1 seat between Labour and Tory?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2015 7:03 pm
Site Admin
Joined: Wed December 12, 2012 10:33 pm Posts: 6932
Let's all laugh at Rangers wrote:
Green Habit wrote:
Let's all laugh at Rangers wrote:
Some are saying the election was rigged, but in my opinion Labour's failure to defend a Labour-SNP alliance has won the Tories the election.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that Labour now has no choice but to ally with SNP if they have any hope in the immediate future of prying Number 10 away from the Tories. How else would they be able to do it?
Bang on. Labour angered their own voters and gave them nothing to believe in. When you believe your vote will be wasted, rain is the last weather you need on the day and it chucked it down for most of the afternoon.
Can you fill us in a bit more on what exactly the SNP wants, and what they'd demand of Labour to keep a coalition between the two alive? I don't really know that much other than some vague sense of "addressing the wants and needs of the Scottish".
Post subject: Re: What's 1 seat between Labour and Tory?
Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 3:07 pm
Broken Tamborine
Joined: Thu January 31, 2013 7:26 pm Posts: 368
Green Habit wrote:
Let's all laugh at Rangers wrote:
Green Habit wrote:
Let's all laugh at Rangers wrote:
Some are saying the election was rigged, but in my opinion Labour's failure to defend a Labour-SNP alliance has won the Tories the election.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that Labour now has no choice but to ally with SNP if they have any hope in the immediate future of prying Number 10 away from the Tories. How else would they be able to do it?
Bang on. Labour angered their own voters and gave them nothing to believe in. When you believe your vote will be wasted, rain is the last weather you need on the day and it chucked it down for most of the afternoon.
Can you fill us in a bit more on what exactly the SNP wants, and what they'd demand of Labour to keep a coalition between the two alive? I don't really know that much other than some vague sense of "addressing the wants and needs of the Scottish".
I think Trident is 1 of them, actually I think that's just about it. Miliband also mentioned the independence issue which is ridiculous as the SNP would never want to use a general election to push independence.
_________________ So basically, Johnson and May spent Trump's presidency fighting each other over how best to sell the NHS to Trump.
Post subject: Re: What's 1 seat between Labour and Tory?
Posted: Tue April 18, 2017 4:16 pm
Broken Tamborine
Joined: Thu January 31, 2013 7:26 pm Posts: 368
I knew the day of the 2015 election that Labour were screwed. I'm disappointed in Corbyn. Seems to be hedging all his bets on winning an election when he was supposed to transform the party and leave a lasting legacy for future generations of Labour supporters. Instead, he's given the purgers pretty much a free ride and nothing will have changed in the party when he stands down.
_________________ So basically, Johnson and May spent Trump's presidency fighting each other over how best to sell the NHS to Trump.
Post subject: Re: What's 1 seat between Labour and Tory?
Posted: Tue April 18, 2017 7:10 pm
The Beef
Joined: Thu January 03, 2013 10:16 pm Posts: 4361
Green Habit wrote:
What does May have to gain by calling an election now?
The Tories are very strong in the polls at the moment, and May was appointed unelected, so if she can campaign on her Brexit platform, and win, she's got a mandate going forward.
Post subject: Re: What's 1 seat between Labour and Tory?
Posted: Tue April 18, 2017 8:27 pm
Site Admin
Joined: Wed December 12, 2012 10:33 pm Posts: 6932
ABNorman wrote:
Green Habit wrote:
What does May have to gain by calling an election now?
The Tories are very strong in the polls at the moment, and May was appointed unelected, so if she can campaign on her Brexit platform, and win, she's got a mandate going forward.
Mandates are horribly overrated in US politics, as Trump and the Republicans are learning right now. Is it less overrated in UK politics?
Post subject: Re: What's 1 seat between Labour and Tory?
Posted: Wed April 19, 2017 8:43 am
The Beef
Joined: Thu January 03, 2013 10:16 pm Posts: 4361
Green Habit wrote:
ABNorman wrote:
Green Habit wrote:
What does May have to gain by calling an election now?
The Tories are very strong in the polls at the moment, and May was appointed unelected, so if she can campaign on her Brexit platform, and win, she's got a mandate going forward.
Mandates are horribly overrated in US politics, as Trump and the Republicans are learning right now. Is it less overrated in UK politics?
I was conflating a mandate with a more powerful majority in parliament there.
Essentially she stands a good chance of getting elected with a good majority, which A) allows her to use the "I have been given a mandate" line as the PR excuse for whatever she wants to do and B) makes it much harder for opposition to agitate for, for example, a parliamentary vote on the eventual Brexit deal.
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