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tree_ wrote:
Does it exist?
Yes.
tree_ wrote:
If so, why does it exist?
Because corporations are typically mandated to maximize company profits, and that includes low-balling female employees on their salaries whenever possible.
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tragabigzanda wrote:
tree_ wrote:
Does it exist?
Yes.
tree_ wrote:
If so, why does it exist?
Because corporations are typically mandated to maximize company profits, and that includes low-balling female employees on their salaries whenever possible.
Proof?
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Because corporations are typically mandated to maximize company profits, and that includes low-balling female employees on their salaries whenever possible.
Because corporations are typically mandated to maximize company profits, and that includes low-balling female employees on their salaries whenever possible.
No.
Yes. It's in Article IV of the Constitution.
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On the corporate part, the specific legalities are hotly debated, but in practice it is generally accepted that unless the corporation is set up as a B-Corp, a Certified B-Corp (different), or as a conventional S-Corp or C-Corp but with uniquely specific governing documents, then yes, they have shareholders who want to see the best possible performance and typically have male executives who are 40+ years of age and come from a different era/school of thought.
On the corporate part, the specific legalities are hotly debated, but in practice it is generally accepted that unless the corporation is set up as a B-Corp, a Certified B-Corp (different), or as a conventional S-Corp or C-Corp but with uniquely specific governing documents, then yes, they have shareholders who want to see the best possible performance and typically have male executives who are 40+ years of age and come from a different era/school of thought.
I haven't clicked your links, but can we just define our terms before we start? What's the size of the gender gap you're claiming? I agree that one exists, but I think evidence shows it's much smaller than the widely used $0.79 on the dollar that gets tossed around so frequently. So let's start there.
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I don't see how low-balling female employees would be a viable solution.
It's not.
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What evidence would you accept that might change your mind, tragabigzanda?
What part of my mind are you proposing to change? That a gender pay gap exists? Or that, forgetting the legalities, corporations are typically operated to maximize profits?
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If there is actually a gap, there are many reasons. The fact that women sacrifice their careers by giving birth being a big one. Another, that most men take all of the dangerous jobs.
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Nobody disputes that corporations are set up to explicitly pursue profit.
To the extent that there is evidence that suggests simple gender discrimination on the part of individuals within those profit-pursuing corporations is the primary determinant of the wage gap - which I agree exists - it is dwarfed by evidence that suggests non-discriminatory factors are responsible for the wage divergence.
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4/5 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
On the corporate part, the specific legalities are hotly debated, but in practice it is generally accepted that unless the corporation is set up as a B-Corp, a Certified B-Corp (different), or as a conventional S-Corp or C-Corp but with uniquely specific governing documents, then yes, they have shareholders who want to see the best possible performance and typically have male executives who are 40+ years of age and come from a different era/school of thought.
I haven't clicked your links, but can we just define our terms before we start? What's the size of the gender gap you're claiming? I agree that one exists, but I think evidence shows it's much smaller than the widely used $0.79 on the dollar that gets tossed around so frequently. So let's start there.
Oh I have no opinion on this. I agree that $0.79 is the figure most often cited, but I've not looked at research closely enough to take any sort of stance on this.
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tragabigzanda wrote:
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What evidence would you accept that might change your mind, tragabigzanda?
What part of my mind are you proposing to change? That a gender pay gap exists? Or that, forgetting the legalities, corporations are typically operated to maximize profits?
Of course they want to maximize profits. I don't want to read through all your links. Is there proof in there that low-balling female employees is a point of operation in order to do so?
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tree_ wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
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What evidence would you accept that might change your mind, tragabigzanda?
What part of my mind are you proposing to change? That a gender pay gap exists? Or that, forgetting the legalities, corporations are typically operated to maximize profits?
Of course they want to maximize profits. I don't want to read through all your links. Is there proof in there that low-balling female employees is a point of operation in order to do so?
I don't know, I didn't read those links. But I've been a part of the work force long enough; am married to an exceptionally intelligent and well-paid woman; and have formed my own C-Corp and follow all the legal mumbo jumbo to the letter to know that whenever there's money to be saved, corporations will do it, and that negotiating a lower salary with an employee is one easy way to save pennies (often at the cost of attracting or retaining better team members who would likely yield higher profits).
The growth of the "gig" economy generates worker flexibility that, some have speculated, will favor women. We explore one facet of the gig economy by examining labor supply choices and earnings among more than a million rideshare drivers on Uber in the U.S. Perhaps most surprisingly, we find that there is a roughly 7% gender earnings gap amongst drivers. The uniqueness of our data—knowing exactly the production and compensation functions—permits us to completely unpack the underlying determinants of the gender earnings gap. We find that the entire gender gap is caused by three factors: experience on the platform (learning-by-doing), preferences over where/when to work, and preferences for driving speed. This suggests that, as the gig economy grows and brings more flexibility in employment, women’s relatively high opportunity cost of non-paid-work time and gender-based preference differences can perpetuate a gender earnings gap even in the absence of discrimination.
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tragabigzanda wrote:
tree_ wrote:
Does it exist?
Yes.
tree_ wrote:
If so, why does it exist?
Because corporations are typically mandated to maximize company profits, and that includes low-balling female employees on their salaries whenever possible.
Your statement raises the question....Why not low-ball male employees to maximize profits even more? The answer to THAT would more appropriately answer the original question
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