Thu May 17, 2018 9:55 am
Noangel wrote:how much money do you need?
to give yourselves a sense of security?
Not everyone gauges success on how much money they make.
So lets tax the fucking stock market....a 1% tax on trading covers health care...among a thousand other things...
Mon May 21, 2018 5:11 am
Bi_3 wrote:Noangel wrote:how much money do you need?
to give yourselves a sense of security?
Not everyone gauges success on how much money they make.
So lets tax the fucking stock market....a 1% tax on trading covers health care...among a thousand other things...
Just as an FYI, that 1% transaction tax (which I am in favor of) would not even cover what we spend on Medicare/Medicaid today.
Mon May 21, 2018 2:02 pm
Mon May 21, 2018 3:11 pm
Noangel wrote:Bi_3 wrote:Noangel wrote:how much money do you need?
to give yourselves a sense of security?
Not everyone gauges success on how much money they make.
So lets tax the fucking stock market....a 1% tax on trading covers health care...among a thousand other things...
Just as an FYI, that 1% transaction tax (which I am in favor of) would not even cover what we spend on Medicare/Medicaid today.
I'd like to see that source claiming that. I was talking about 1% a day.
Mon May 21, 2018 3:42 pm
tragabigzanda wrote:Great read.
TruthDig.Org: The Coming Collapse
by Chris HedgesThe leadership of the party, the Clintons, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Tom Perez, are creations of corporate America. In an open and democratic political process, one not dominated by party elites and corporate money, these people would not hold political power. They know this. They would rather implode the entire system than give up their positions of privilege. And that, I fear, is what will happen. The idea that the Democratic Party is in any way a bulwark against despotism defies the last three decades of its political activity. It is the guarantor of despotism.
Mon May 21, 2018 4:00 pm
Mon May 21, 2018 4:40 pm
run2death wrote:Honestly, that doesn't really strike me as all that insightful.
Does anybody really believe the Dems don't suckle at the tit of lobbyists and big business?
Mon May 21, 2018 4:50 pm
Bi_3 wrote:run2death wrote:Honestly, that doesn't really strike me as all that insightful.
Does anybody really believe the Dems don't suckle at the tit of lobbyists and big business?
I'm not even sure why that is inherently bad. The coordination of business and political interests is fine as long as it provides for the general economic good.
Mon May 21, 2018 4:52 pm
--- wrote:Bi_3 wrote:run2death wrote:Honestly, that doesn't really strike me as all that insightful.
Does anybody really believe the Dems don't suckle at the tit of lobbyists and big business?
I'm not even sure why that is inherently bad. The coordination of business and political interests is fine as long as it provides for the general economic good.
Why would anyone expect coordination between business and political interests to further interests beyond just those business folks and politicians engaged in the coordinating, even accidentally?
Mon May 21, 2018 4:55 pm
Bi_3 wrote:--- wrote:Bi_3 wrote:run2death wrote:Honestly, that doesn't really strike me as all that insightful.
Does anybody really believe the Dems don't suckle at the tit of lobbyists and big business?
I'm not even sure why that is inherently bad. The coordination of business and political interests is fine as long as it provides for the general economic good.
Why would anyone expect coordination between business and political interests to further interests beyond just those business folks and politicians engaged in the coordinating, even accidentally?
Zup Alex
Mon May 21, 2018 5:00 pm
--- wrote:Bi_3 wrote:run2death wrote:Honestly, that doesn't really strike me as all that insightful.
Does anybody really believe the Dems don't suckle at the tit of lobbyists and big business?
I'm not even sure why that is inherently bad. The coordination of business and political interests is fine as long as it provides for the general economic good.
Why would anyone expect coordination between business and political interests to further interests beyond just those business folks and politicians engaged in the coordinating, even accidentally?
Adam Smith wrote:People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.
Mon May 21, 2018 5:01 pm
tragabigzanda wrote:Cross-posting from the Trump thread. The economic stuff comes in the second half.tragabigzanda wrote:Great read.
TruthDig.Org: The Coming Collapse
by Chris HedgesThe leadership of the party, the Clintons, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Tom Perez, are creations of corporate America. In an open and democratic political process, one not dominated by party elites and corporate money, these people would not hold political power. They know this. They would rather implode the entire system than give up their positions of privilege. And that, I fear, is what will happen. The idea that the Democratic Party is in any way a bulwark against despotism defies the last three decades of its political activity. It is the guarantor of despotism.
Mon May 21, 2018 5:02 pm
4/5 wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Cross-posting from the Trump thread. The economic stuff comes in the second half.tragabigzanda wrote:Great read.
TruthDig.Org: The Coming Collapse
by Chris HedgesThe leadership of the party, the Clintons, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Tom Perez, are creations of corporate America. In an open and democratic political process, one not dominated by party elites and corporate money, these people would not hold political power. They know this. They would rather implode the entire system than give up their positions of privilege. And that, I fear, is what will happen. The idea that the Democratic Party is in any way a bulwark against despotism defies the last three decades of its political activity. It is the guarantor of despotism.
So what does he propose as a solution?
Mon May 21, 2018 5:05 pm
--- wrote:4/5 wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Cross-posting from the Trump thread. The economic stuff comes in the second half.tragabigzanda wrote:Great read.
TruthDig.Org: The Coming Collapse
by Chris HedgesThe leadership of the party, the Clintons, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Tom Perez, are creations of corporate America. In an open and democratic political process, one not dominated by party elites and corporate money, these people would not hold political power. They know this. They would rather implode the entire system than give up their positions of privilege. And that, I fear, is what will happen. The idea that the Democratic Party is in any way a bulwark against despotism defies the last three decades of its political activity. It is the guarantor of despotism.
So what does he propose as a solution?
I'm sure the solution is quite Bernie Sanders-centric.
Mon May 21, 2018 5:07 pm
--- wrote:4/5 wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Cross-posting from the Trump thread. The economic stuff comes in the second half.tragabigzanda wrote:Great read.
TruthDig.Org: The Coming Collapse
by Chris HedgesThe leadership of the party, the Clintons, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Tom Perez, are creations of corporate America. In an open and democratic political process, one not dominated by party elites and corporate money, these people would not hold political power. They know this. They would rather implode the entire system than give up their positions of privilege. And that, I fear, is what will happen. The idea that the Democratic Party is in any way a bulwark against despotism defies the last three decades of its political activity. It is the guarantor of despotism.
So what does he propose as a solution?
I'm sure the solution is quite Bernie Sanders-centric.
Mon May 21, 2018 5:21 pm
Mon May 21, 2018 7:39 pm
4/5 wrote:--- wrote:Bi_3 wrote:run2death wrote:Honestly, that doesn't really strike me as all that insightful.
Does anybody really believe the Dems don't suckle at the tit of lobbyists and big business?
I'm not even sure why that is inherently bad. The coordination of business and political interests is fine as long as it provides for the general economic good.
Why would anyone expect coordination between business and political interests to further interests beyond just those business folks and politicians engaged in the coordinating, even accidentally?
So so so so so much this.
Mon May 21, 2018 9:26 pm
Bi_3 wrote:4/5 wrote:--- wrote:Bi_3 wrote:run2death wrote:Honestly, that doesn't really strike me as all that insightful.
Does anybody really believe the Dems don't suckle at the tit of lobbyists and big business?
I'm not even sure why that is inherently bad. The coordination of business and political interests is fine as long as it provides for the general economic good.
Why would anyone expect coordination between business and political interests to further interests beyond just those business folks and politicians engaged in the coordinating, even accidentally?
So so so so so much this.
Because not all interactions between business and government are based on the profit motive. Some people are really supporters of pro-choice orgs or green energy solutions totally independent of their own profit.
Thu May 24, 2018 9:56 am
Bi_3 wrote:4/5 wrote:--- wrote:Bi_3 wrote:run2death wrote:Honestly, that doesn't really strike me as all that insightful.
Does anybody really believe the Dems don't suckle at the tit of lobbyists and big business?
I'm not even sure why that is inherently bad. The coordination of business and political interests is fine as long as it provides for the general economic good.
Why would anyone expect coordination between business and political interests to further interests beyond just those business folks and politicians engaged in the coordinating, even accidentally?
So so so so so much this.
Because not all interactions between business and government are based on the profit motive. Some people are really supporters of pro-choice orgs or green energy solutions totally independent of their own profit.
Thu May 24, 2018 11:16 am
Noangel wrote:
a system based on greed and selfishness cannot possible produce or create what is best for society. Profit is pursued, even at the cost of human life.