More like the pope would be the one inserting amirite!!!!!!!

Ba-dump ching!

That cartoon could be from any time in the last 30+ years tbh. But yeah, that does look like Benedict.

Cymbals don't go "ching"!!!

They banned Michael Jackson’s music because of two moneygrabber assholes.

But the Catholic Church still gets a pass despite millions of verifiable cases.

Oh what a world

I watched part 1 of Leaving Neverland and damn, it's pretty persuasive

Even keeping all of this in mind

It's one thing to dismiss the allegations offhand based on prior knowledge, and quite another to hear the alleged survivors and their parents give first-hand accounts. Just like it's easy to talk about the stranger aspects of MJ's personality as a "benevolent eccentric", but seeing them all laid out like that makes it all seem much more abhorrent. Acknowledging that there is no new evidence other than these two guys' testimonies, I don't know how one watches that doc and comes away thinking MJ comes off as anything other than creepy and predatory.

I'll watch part 2 at some point

Who knew Jorge would be swayed by sad / danger music and bad actors.

I think it was the lingering shots that did it.

Just finished ep 2 of Leaving Neverland.

Of course MJ was an abuser. Even if these guys are lying, he was an abuser. I dont get how people defend his actions as ¨a poor guy who didnt have a childhood¨, ¨ He did so much good¨, ¨ He was like a kid¨....

It didnt kill them VG. They’re still alive and have families of their own now.
Plus they were delighted to be there. They asked for it.

jesus

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-47680378

Streisand told The Times newspaper that she believed the allegations against the late superstar but said his actions "didn't kill" the accusers.
She later wrote on Instagram that she was "profoundly sorry for any pain or misunderstanding" caused.

Keep up with the headlines LV

The above was Barbra Streisand’s comments the other day, setting her own situation and twitter on fire momentarily.

jesus, babs

Babs

Yes. She could say MJ was innocent, and that’s fine. She could say he was guilty, and that’s also fine. But to say he was guilty, but no harm was caused, that’s awful.

That’s a perfect example of that ratified (thin) air celebrities inhabit where they think rules and normality don’t apply to them and they can say and do whatever. With no come back.

Or is it.
She’s extremely media savvy and has nothing to lose either way.
Countless other celebs have stayed totally mute on this issue.
Where they piled on Cosby some of them.

Nobody wants the stink, real or imagined, attached to them.

You still defend Michael´s actions?

I don’t know that I ever have. I have said I don’t believe these two. Sorta different.
It’ll take just one person to bring a criminal case and that somehow has never happened.
When it does, we can talk.

I wasnt talking about the sex part dime. I was talking more about his perception of his own power towards others. His abusing behavior.

No denying through this lens.
I’m not sure he would have seen it that way or he was doing anything wrong. The whole messiah complex thing he definitely had would Wired him to think he was helping.

That’s if we’re viewing it totally through an innocent POV. Best in mind, it’s a matter of fact that these families all basically were bankrolled by him in one way or another(lending the safechucks the money for a house then later forgiving the loan) and you could see him going
‘I’ve had enough of being bled’ and just dripping contact with them.
There’s a consistency to that too, Arviso kid on the stand when asked why are you angry at Michaels Jackson? He responded almost shouting and clearly hurt ‘cos he stopped calling me!’
Not ‘he sexually abused me’. That whole case was a total shakedown and the family caught out.
If you believe he was a predator it obviously can be seen the other way. There’s patterns of behaviour among the four families that have made allegations too let’s be fair and accept that.


And remember thousands if not tens of thousands of kids and groups of sick kids have visited neverland down the years.
There’s only four allegations. All cash based.
Balance of probablities don’t balance for me when you look at the whole picture.

Well never know.