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 Post subject: 44th President Barack HUSSEIN Obama
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Thread to discuss our Kenyan in Chief's plans to destroy America. Forward, Comrades!

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ill probably never really look back at this thread much, but i just wanted to throw into it that, some of this bullshit that people that just hate Obama send me to read as a reason why he is terrible is so damn ridiculous, ive been emailed shit trying to prove to me that he is purposely trying to run the economy into the ground to turn around with some kinda hostile take over to become our dictator is just the stupidest kinda bullshit and i wish i knew how the people who believed that stuffs brains worked.


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Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:
ill probably never really look back at this thread much, but i just wanted to throw into it that, some of this bullshit that people that just hate Obama send me to read as a reason why he is terrible is so damn ridiculous, ive been emailed shit trying to prove to me that he is purposely trying to run the economy into the ground to turn around with some kinda hostile take over to become our dictator is just the stupidest kinda bullshit and i wish i knew how the people who believed that stuffs brains worked.



and the same thing happened with Bush.

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I definitely hated bush, but all the things i hated him for, mostly the unnecessary war in iraq turned out to be justified. but that is besides the point, im sure there are rediculous extremists on both sides, and i dont understand where these outrageous thoughts come from


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Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:
I definitely hated bush, but all the things i hated him for, mostly the unnecessary war in iraq turned out to be justified. but that is besides the point, im sure there are rediculous extremists on both sides, and i dont understand where these outrageous thoughts come from


there are, of course, but one of the major differences is that the lefty extremists are margialized not only in mainstream political discourse, but even on much of the left. There were people who argued that 9-11 was set up by Cheney/Bush to fabricate the wars, but no one outside of a very small minority took those people seriously. Compared to, say, birthers.

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Stip wrote:
Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:
I definitely hated bush, but all the things i hated him for, mostly the unnecessary war in iraq turned out to be justified. but that is besides the point, im sure there are rediculous extremists on both sides, and i dont understand where these outrageous thoughts come from


there are, of course, but one of the major differences is that the lefty extremists are margialized not only in mainstream political discourse, but even on much of the left. There were people who argued that 9-11 was set up by Cheney/Bush to fabricate the wars, but no one outside of a very small minority took those people seriously. Compared to, say, birthers.

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Stip wrote:
there are, of course, but one of the major differences is that the lefty extremists are margialized not only in mainstream political discourse, but even on much of the left. There were people who argued that 9-11 was set up by Cheney/Bush to fabricate the wars, but no one outside of a very small minority took those people seriously. Compared to, say, birthers.
I'm trying to think of a more prominent birther than Donald Trump. I'm sure I'm forgetting someone.


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Stip wrote:
Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:
I definitely hated bush, but all the things i hated him for, mostly the unnecessary war in iraq turned out to be justified. but that is besides the point, im sure there are rediculous extremists on both sides, and i dont understand where these outrageous thoughts come from


there are, of course, but one of the major differences is that the lefty extremists are margialized not only in mainstream political discourse, but even on much of the left. There were people who argued that 9-11 was set up by Cheney/Bush to fabricate the wars, but no one outside of a very small minority took those people seriously. Compared to, say, birthers.



I don't know if i buy that. I tend to lean more right, and have thought the birther thing was ridiculous, and I think most relatively well adjusted people on the right dont buy it either. Hell, I don't think Trump even buys it, but pushes it as a PR opportunity.

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And Hussein is in capitals because?


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@SkitchP wrote:
Stip wrote:
Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:
I definitely hated bush, but all the things i hated him for, mostly the unnecessary war in iraq turned out to be justified. but that is besides the point, im sure there are rediculous extremists on both sides, and i dont understand where these outrageous thoughts come from


there are, of course, but one of the major differences is that the lefty extremists are margialized not only in mainstream political discourse, but even on much of the left. There were people who argued that 9-11 was set up by Cheney/Bush to fabricate the wars, but no one outside of a very small minority took those people seriously. Compared to, say, birthers.



I don't know if i buy that. I tend to lean more right, and have thought the birther thing was ridiculous, and I think most relatively well adjusted people on the right dont buy it either. Hell, I don't think Trump even buys it, but pushes it as a PR opportunity.


bracketing whether relatively well adjusted people are currently represented by the mainstream public face of the right too much these days, whether or not the purveyors of this crap believed it is also largely irrelevant. It was talked about incessantly, was an issue in the party primaries (especially among some primary voters), had wide ranging appeal in media circles (especially talk radio, etc). There is simply no real left analogue to that.

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@SkitchP wrote:
Stip wrote:
Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:
I definitely hated bush, but all the things i hated him for, mostly the unnecessary war in iraq turned out to be justified. but that is besides the point, im sure there are rediculous extremists on both sides, and i dont understand where these outrageous thoughts come from


there are, of course, but one of the major differences is that the lefty extremists are margialized not only in mainstream political discourse, but even on much of the left. There were people who argued that 9-11 was set up by Cheney/Bush to fabricate the wars, but no one outside of a very small minority took those people seriously. Compared to, say, birthers.



I don't know if i buy that. I tend to lean more right, and have thought the birther thing was ridiculous, and I think most relatively well adjusted people on the right dont buy it either. Hell, I don't think Trump even buys it, but pushes it as a PR opportunity.


this is the first time in my voting history that they guy i voted for became president, so i wouldnt have been offended by a lot of ridiculousness while Bush was in office because i had my complaints but didnt listen to many other crazy things, though the thought of our president having something to do with 9-11 is a good bit of bullshit thinking as well so it definitely could have been equal. and as far as Trump goes, i would go along with the thought that his dumb sounding statements are just for the sake of getting attention, atleast for him i hope that is the case


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And Hussein is in capitals because?

how else could we be sure it was really borken iris who started the thread and not some impostor?

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Stip wrote:
@SkitchP wrote:
Stip wrote:
Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:
I definitely hated bush, but all the things i hated him for, mostly the unnecessary war in iraq turned out to be justified. but that is besides the point, im sure there are rediculous extremists on both sides, and i dont understand where these outrageous thoughts come from


there are, of course, but one of the major differences is that the lefty extremists are margialized not only in mainstream political discourse, but even on much of the left. There were people who argued that 9-11 was set up by Cheney/Bush to fabricate the wars, but no one outside of a very small minority took those people seriously. Compared to, say, birthers.



I don't know if i buy that. I tend to lean more right, and have thought the birther thing was ridiculous, and I think most relatively well adjusted people on the right dont buy it either. Hell, I don't think Trump even buys it, but pushes it as a PR opportunity.


bracketing whether relatively well adjusted people are currently represented by the mainstream public face of the right too much these days, whether or not the purveyors of this crap believed it is also largely irrelevant. It was talked about incessantly, was an issue in the party primaries (especially among some primary voters), had wide ranging appeal in media circles (especially talk radio, etc). There is simply no real left analogue to that.



I guess you're right. Maybe I just tuned it out as nonsense, so I assumed everyone did. I just chalked it up to a ridiculous media and an election cycle.

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@SkitchP wrote:
Stip wrote:
Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:
I definitely hated bush, but all the things i hated him for, mostly the unnecessary war in iraq turned out to be justified. but that is besides the point, im sure there are rediculous extremists on both sides, and i dont understand where these outrageous thoughts come from


there are, of course, but one of the major differences is that the lefty extremists are margialized not only in mainstream political discourse, but even on much of the left. There were people who argued that 9-11 was set up by Cheney/Bush to fabricate the wars, but no one outside of a very small minority took those people seriously. Compared to, say, birthers.



I don't know if i buy that. I tend to lean more right, and have thought the birther thing was ridiculous, and I think most relatively well adjusted people on the right dont buy it either. Hell, I don't think Trump even buys it, but pushes it as a PR opportunity.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49554.html

http://politics.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=23888&content=50453448&pageNum=-1

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And Hussein is in capitals because?


On many conservative websites President Obama is often referred to as "Barry Sorrento", "BHO", or "Barrack Hussein Obama" in attempt to belittle him or induce some pavlovian respond to his middle name. Several liberal websites have gone on to mock that behavior by capitalizing the name, pointing out how pathetic such behavior is. I thought it would be appropriate here.

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refresh my memory about the Barry Sorrento thing?

I get the Hussein thing. It's foreign sounding and it'll play to certain hostile nativist elements. The teleprompter jokes always seemed kinda pointless. What major political speaker won't use teleprompters?

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Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:
ill probably never really look back at this thread much, but i just wanted to throw into it that, some of this bullshit that people that just hate Obama send me to read as a reason why he is terrible is so damn ridiculous, ive been emailed shit trying to prove to me that he is purposely trying to run the economy into the ground to turn around with some kinda hostile take over to become our dictator is just the stupidest kinda bullshit and i wish i knew how the people who believed that stuffs brains worked.


Well, he's killing civilians by the truckload in Pakistan.

We probably should hate him for that, dontcha think?


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refresh my memory about the Barry Sorrento thing?

I get the Hussein thing. It's foreign sounding and it'll play to certain hostile nativist elements. The teleprompter jokes always seemed kinda pointless. What major political speaker won't use teleprompters?



Ah, I fucked up. It's "Barry Soetoro", which is related to the birther movement.

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Stip wrote:
refresh my memory about the Barry Sorrento thing?

I get the Hussein thing. It's foreign sounding and it'll play to certain hostile nativist elements. The teleprompter jokes always seemed kinda pointless. What major political speaker won't use teleprompters?


Lincoln was a truly great speaker because he read his speeches off paper, not some dandy teleprompter!

Yeah, I've never understood that one, either.


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mray10 wrote:
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refresh my memory about the Barry Sorrento thing?

I get the Hussein thing. It's foreign sounding and it'll play to certain hostile nativist elements. The teleprompter jokes always seemed kinda pointless. What major political speaker won't use teleprompters?


Lincoln was a truly great speaker because he read his speeches off paper, not some dandy teleprompter!

Yeah, I've never understood that one, either.


I think the teleprompter thing is a way of saying his speaches are being written for him, but i feel it is a way to keep his thoughts straight and make sure you make all of your points. That is something i have to do just to have a talk with an employee, i always have my notes infront of me so i dont miss any of the points im trying to make


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