Tue June 22, 2021 3:12 am
Rob wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:Still not hearing any solutions from the pampered white guys with high cholesterol.
Wrong. You’re just whining.
Plenty of us have advocated for better pay, universal healthcare, ending the war on drugs, better conditions in general…
We had a pandemic that turned life on its head for a bit, crime went up… you call out others for a lack of a solution when clearly you just wanna troll people.
It’s fine with me, I will always respond because this place is actually stress relief for me, but I just hope you aren’t kidding yourself in real life.
Tue June 22, 2021 3:26 am
verb_to_trust wrote:Still not hearing any solutions from the pampered white guys with high cholesterol.
Tue June 22, 2021 3:59 am
Tue June 22, 2021 4:01 am
elliseamos wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:Still not hearing any solutions from the pampered white guys with high cholesterol.
Is this to say that what we've done to this point has been working and should just keep things the same?
The solutions are in a number of different threads, Mr. Trust. You just don't like the answers.
Tue June 22, 2021 4:23 am
verb_to_trust wrote:elliseamos wrote:verb_to_trust wrote:Still not hearing any solutions from the pampered white guys with high cholesterol.
Is this to say that what we've done to this point has been working and should just keep things the same?
The solutions are in a number of different threads, Mr. Trust. You just don't like the answers.
I can't believe policy makers haven't thought to consult the woke circle jerk on RM for the clear solutions to these problems.
Tue June 22, 2021 10:41 am
Tue June 22, 2021 12:09 pm
elliseamos wrote:I would think the mere existence of your account (and others) would inspire a better conversation, but like many things I'm clearly wrong.
So let's just rewind things to the glory days of nonviolence: 2014.
One year ago this month, protests filled the city’s streets daily after the police killings of George Floyd in Minneapolis and, less than three weeks later, Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta. Pushing for changes to Atlanta’s police budget, over a thousand residents sent comments into the City Council — so many that the recordings had to be played over two days.
Facing a June 30 deadline to pass the budget, the City Council discussed temporarily withholding $73 million of the Atlanta Police Department’s budget while the city considered changes to the way it polices. The effort failed on an 8-7 vote.
This year, the day the council voted on the budget, there were less than two hours of comments from the public. The council passed the budget unanimously, and rather than withholding funding from police, the city increased the department’s budget by 7% to over $230 million, a $15 million increase that represented the biggest boost awarded to any department.
The discussions at City Hall over this year’s budget, which followed a citywide rise in violent crime, highlight how the discourse over policing has shifted in the last year, among elected officials and some members of the public.
Tue June 22, 2021 2:27 pm
Tue June 22, 2021 3:15 pm
B wrote:
I'm suggesting that as soon as it isn't addressed the way white people want it addressed in the time frame they want it addressed, the flee. And it's not like they're going to build a wall to address crime. They're going to hunt down every black kid with a loud radio that drives through Buckhead and harrass him and put him in danger for his life.
Tue June 22, 2021 3:23 pm
Tue June 22, 2021 8:20 pm
BurtReynolds wrote:B wrote:
I'm suggesting that as soon as it isn't addressed the way white people want it addressed in the time frame they want it addressed, the flee. And it's not like they're going to build a wall to address crime. They're going to hunt down every black kid with a loud radio that drives through Buckhead and harrass him and put him in danger for his life.
This is a warped viewpoint that has little basis in reality.
Tue June 22, 2021 11:42 pm
Bi_3 wrote:elliseamos wrote:I would think the mere existence of your account (and others) would inspire a better conversation, but like many things I'm clearly wrong.
So let's just rewind things to the glory days of nonviolence: 2014.
I think it's just that it's frustratingly disingenuous to pretend that surging violent crime in many places can be mapped back to the pandemic without taking into account the dramatic changes in the perception of police and how policing is done on the streets. We did not see property crime surging in 2020 into early 2021, we saw violent crime surging. This is an important distinction if you believe the answer is driven largely by economics and not the ongoing attempt at shredding the social contract.
It's not ironic at all that in the discussion of Buckhead and Atlanta, that this happened:One year ago this month, protests filled the city’s streets daily after the police killings of George Floyd in Minneapolis and, less than three weeks later, Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta. Pushing for changes to Atlanta’s police budget, over a thousand residents sent comments into the City Council — so many that the recordings had to be played over two days.
Facing a June 30 deadline to pass the budget, the City Council discussed temporarily withholding $73 million of the Atlanta Police Department’s budget while the city considered changes to the way it polices. The effort failed on an 8-7 vote.
This year, the day the council voted on the budget, there were less than two hours of comments from the public. The council passed the budget unanimously, and rather than withholding funding from police, the city increased the department’s budget by 7% to over $230 million, a $15 million increase that represented the biggest boost awarded to any department.
The discussions at City Hall over this year’s budget, which followed a citywide rise in violent crime, highlight how the discourse over policing has shifted in the last year, among elected officials and some members of the public.
Also, and I am a touch hesitent to post this, but the "it's not that big an increase" line of thought sounds an awful lot like you're suggesting that there is some acceptable level of victimization that one demographic group should be forced to put of with because feelings.
Wed June 23, 2021 4:00 am
Wed June 23, 2021 1:39 pm
elliseamos wrote:
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But doesn't that just demonstrate attention spans? People were motivated and interested and stuck at home to the point that they took time to send in comments which almost altered the budget. It didn't, it almost did. This year, people are less motivated and busier, so it passed without a question/comment.
I'm failing to see how it supports anything to do with violent crime increases.
Wed June 23, 2021 11:38 pm
Bi_3 wrote:elliseamos wrote:
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But doesn't that just demonstrate attention spans? People were motivated and interested and stuck at home to the point that they took time to send in comments which almost altered the budget. It didn't, it almost did. This year, people are less motivated and busier, so it passed without a question/comment.
I'm failing to see how it supports anything to do with violent crime increases.
If by 'attention spans' you mean the social capital gained from this particular type of virtual signalling has diminished to the point that no one really cares anymore, maybe that does explain the change in the volume of citizen comments. But, perhaps another read of the situation is that over the course of the last year both politicians and humans looked at the on-the-ground data (not the 24/7 replaying of the Floyd murder vid on CNN) and realized what actually happens when you do the things that activists are demanding. Policy changes like abstaining from prosecuting violent protestors and bail reform, and behavioral changes like less proactive policing driven by officer fear of becoming the next viral sensation are a direct result of compliance with activist demands and we are now seeing the price in dead, primarily black and brown, people.
Thu July 01, 2021 10:11 pm
Fri July 02, 2021 4:17 pm
Fri July 02, 2021 4:24 pm
macphisto wrote:
Fri July 02, 2021 4:33 pm
Rob wrote:macphisto wrote:
Yea, but it’s quite literally a cop’s job to uphold (therefore obey) the law.
Fri July 02, 2021 5:02 pm