This (Minneapolis) is the same police department that brought us Mohamed Noor? How bad is their vetting/training?
As terrible as the tragedy of Oscar Grant was, the agency involved is basically tasked with stopping fare evasion and yelling at people for eating on the trains/ platforms. The last time that agency was involved with serving a warrant, they shot and killed a member of another agency on their same team.
I presume Minneapolis PD are expected to do normal police stuff all the time and need to be trained accordingly.
verb_to_trust wrote:I actually just watched the body cam of the shooting. The lady cop thought she was tasing him.
That plus the still circulating falsehood about the air fresher are not making for many good takes. Trevor Noah's being one of the worst, but he's really fallen off during the pandemic.
If someone like Wright has an outstanding warrant for arrest, why does it take an unrelated traffic stop for cops to “discover” this and act on it (aka arrest him)?
Why don’t they look him up, find out where he lives/works, and have officers waiting to arrest him while he walks out to his car or something?
Bammer wrote:Honest question about police/legal procedure:
If someone like Wright has an outstanding warrant for arrest, why does it take an unrelated traffic stop for cops to “discover” this and act on it (aka arrest him)?
Why don’t they look him up, find out where he lives/works, and have officers waiting to arrest him while he walks out to his car or something?
Maybe that guys PO could have coordinated something like that if they thought it was necessary but most of the time cops don't have a clue about joe six packs active warrant on some BS the court doesn't really care about.
Bammer wrote:Honest question about police/legal procedure:
If someone like Wright has an outstanding warrant for arrest, why does it take an unrelated traffic stop for cops to “discover” this and act on it (aka arrest him)?
Why don’t they look him up, find out where he lives/works, and have officers waiting to arrest him while he walks out to his car or something?
This could be different depending on the agency, but a warrant could be something as simple as skipping out on a court date for a traffic ticket. Police are not going to waste resources on staking out a guy with a warrant for skipping muni court. Now, if at a traffic stop looking the person up in the database show's he has that small warrant, then they can arrest him there.
It's different if it's a warrant for a serious crime.
I don't know what choice an officer has if they run your name during a traffic stop and you have a warrant. Unless it has specific instructions to release with a notice to appear you are obligated to follow the judge's order and take that person into custody.
It's fascinating to see the reactions coming in... so many ignore the details of the event and fall back to the same messaging we saw with Floyd/Taylor/Blake/etc. No acknowledgment of nuance, no insightful reflection, no 'well this case is different because...'. Just the same thing over and over, a laser-like focus on the outcome regardless of what actually happened to get there.
Particularly nice of Mrs. Pressley to retweet the lie about the air freshener.
Bi_3 wrote:It's fascinating to see the reactions coming in... so many ignore the details of the event and fall back to the same messaging we saw with Floyd/Taylor/Blake/etc. No acknowledgment of nuance, no insightful reflection, no 'well this case is different because...'. Just the same thing over and over, a laser-like focus on the outcome regardless of what actually happened to get there.
What are your answers? What should we be reflecting on? I believe there is an "Oh shit" in that video somewhere. Maybe things have changed since this morning but isn't this clearly an error on the officer's part? She didn't mean to shoot him dead with her gun, but she did. I don't want to speculate here, she was a cop for a long time, but weren't we just talking yesterday about how anxious cops at traffic stops make everyone less safe?
Bi_3 wrote:It's fascinating to see the reactions coming in... so many ignore the details of the event and fall back to the same messaging we saw with Floyd/Taylor/Blake/etc. No acknowledgment of nuance, no insightful reflection, no 'well this case is different because...'. Just the same thing over and over, a laser-like focus on the outcome regardless of what actually happened to get there.
What are your answers? What should we be reflecting on? I believe there is an "Oh shit" in that video somewhere. Maybe things have changed since this morning but isn't this clearly an error on the officer's part? She didn't mean to shoot him dead with her gun, but she did. I don't want to speculate here, she was a cop for a long time, but weren't we just talking yesterday about how anxious cops at traffic stops make everyone less safe?
Yes, it's clearly an error. She should be fired and she saved the city the effort and chose to quit (along with the police chief and city manager with more on the way). There should be investigation and there is one. There should be an 8-figure settlement and there will be. But let's be clear, this was not "government funded murder" or "slave patrols". And it's certainly not this full-on-mental lunacy:
If we want less tense traffic stops we must build a baseline level of trust and the single most important part of building trust is being honest about what happened and using those lessons to make things better in the future, not ignoring the details in order to fit an event into a preconceived conclusion.
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Yeah that makes total sense. Let's not hold anyone in jail anymore, release them all on notice to appear, issue a bunch of warrants after they blow off court, have the police encounter the absconders during traffic stops, and then expect them to deal with people who don't want to go to jail without any means of protection.
verb_to_trust wrote:Yeah that makes total sense. Let's not hold anyone in jail anymore, release them all on notice to appear, issue a bunch of warrants after they blow off court, have the police encounter the absconders during traffic stops, and then expect them to deal with people who don't want to go to jail without any means of protection.