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 Post subject: The Ukraine is weak
PostPosted: Sun February 23, 2014 5:52 pm 
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The Ukraine is not weak!

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I am from Ukraine!

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I am from Ukraine!

What Ukrainian stereotypes do you conform to?

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BurtReynolds wrote:
Simple Torture wrote:
I am from Ukraine!

What Ukrainian stereotypes do you conform to?


I ruin people's games of Risk.

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 Post subject: Re: The Ukraine is weak
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/201 ... _weak.html

The Ukraine Really Is Weak

Until breaking into the news recently, the country of Ukraine was probably best known to most Americans from its role as a territory on the Risk board. In particular, Ukraine-From-Risk is central to a very memorable Seinfeld scene

This naturally raises the question—is the Ukraine weak? The answer, I believe, is yes.

Key to analyzing this question is Garrett Robinson's paper performing mathematical analysis of Risk (ht to Walt Hickey whose summer 2013 writeup of the paper I recalled when looking into the issue). To understand the weakness of Ukraine, we need to start with the map. Here's Robinson's version, slightly annotated by me to make an important point:

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One issue that arises here is that many Risk boards out there don't have a Ukraine territory. That's because the territory traditionally labeled "Ukraine" on Ukraine-having Risk boards is not even close to replicating Ukraine's location in the geography of the planet earth. The same territory is sometimes called "Russia" (and it does, roughly, correspond to European Russia's location) or "Eastern Europe." You can consider this ambiguity over Ukraine vs Russia to be somewhat emblematic of the current political crisis over there. But for our purposes, that's Ukraine all the way up to the Arctic Sea.
To analyze the situation correctly you want a schematic. Here's Robinson's:
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Now you see two things here. One is that there are only two territories on the board that are capable of being attacked from six different territories. One is Ukraine and the other is Ontario. But there's a big difference between Ukraine and Ontario—all of Ontario's borders are with other provinces in North America. So while Ontario is a hard space to defend, it's also frequently not a territory that will require defense, since a savvy player will concentrate forces in Mexico, Greenland, and Alaska to control the whole continent. By contrast, Ukraine is both crucial to the defense of Europe and unusually vulnerable to attack.
Which is to say that Kramer was right: The Ukraine is weak (in Risk, at least).

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 Post subject: Re: The Ukraine is weak
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Matt Yglesias really is a good writer, even if I don't agree with him all the time.


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 Post subject: Re: The Ukraine is weak
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I've never played Risk before, so I may just be misunderstanding something, but, if I'm reading that schematic correctly, there are at least 5 territories that are located in such a way that they could be attacked by 6 neighboring territories.

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 Post subject: Re: The Ukraine is weak
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Green Habit wrote:
Matt Yglesias really is a good writer, even if I don't agree with him all the time.

i wasn't entirely sure if he was talking about the game of risk or not :/

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 Post subject: Re: The Ukraine is weak
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So when ellis and I make jokes about a mass murder in Norway, we're forever branded as assholes, but it's okay about the Ukraine because the name was also a Seinfeld soundbyte?


gotcha.

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 Post subject: Re: The Ukraine is weak
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You were forever branded as an asshole long before that, weren't you?


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 Post subject: Re: The Ukraine is weak
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Are we letting people onto RM who aren't assholes, now? When did that start? I don't care for it.

At least none of them are posting in this thread.

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 Post subject: Re: The Ukraine is weak
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@SkitchP wrote:
So when ellis and I make jokes about a mass murder in Norway, we're forever branded as assholes, but it's okay about the Ukraine because the name was also a Seinfeld soundbyte?


gotcha.

i don't remember this at all, link?

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 Post subject: Re: The Ukraine is weak
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 Post subject: Re: The Ukraine is weak
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it was the the willie gault line, right?
totally agree with skitch then.

hey, @skitchp - could you explain please? I don't think you're an asshole. I mean, I do think you're an asshole, but just in general, which I appreciate in people, but I'm pretty baffled by your comment.

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