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 Post subject: Re: JFK Assassination
PostPosted: Sun November 17, 2013 5:01 pm 
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My father was in Dallas on a business trip for the 40th anniversary ten years ago and went down to Dealey Plaza to check out the scene. Apparently there were all sorts of crazies out that day, including people climbing into the sewer (one theory is that someone fired from a sewer grate). He did meet and have a chat with Jesse Ventura on the grassy knoll, though (as I said, the crazies were out, as I'll expect them to be this week).


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 Post subject: Re: JFK Assassination
PostPosted: Sun November 17, 2013 5:26 pm 
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All of the conspiracy theories involve a whole lot of assumption and little direct evidence. Ockham would not approve.

Case Closed by Gerald Posner is really the definitive work on the JFK assassination.

"if you put the murdered President of the United States on one side of a scale and that wretched waif Oswald on the other side, it doesn't balance. You want to add something weightier to Oswald. It would invest the President's death with meaning, endowing him with martyrdom. He would have died for something. . . . A conspiracy would, of course, do the job nicely." — William Manchester.


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 Post subject: Re: JFK Assassination
PostPosted: Sun November 17, 2013 5:29 pm 
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Man in Black wrote:
All of the conspiracy theories involve a whole lot of assumption and little direct evidence. Ockham would not approve.

Case Closed by Gerald Posner is really the definitive work on the JFK assassination.

"if you put the murdered President of the United States on one side of a scale and that wretched waif Oswald on the other side, it doesn't balance. You want to add something weightier to Oswald. It would invest the President's death with meaning, endowing him with martyrdom. He would have died for something. . . . A conspiracy would, of course, do the job nicely." — William Manchester.


sorry to agree with you, MiB, but this^

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 Post subject: Re: JFK Assassination
PostPosted: Sun November 17, 2013 5:38 pm 
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I'm pretty certain Oswald did it.


Are you two fucking around or are y'all serious? There is no way Oswald acted alone. He probably had something to do with it, but it wasn't him and him alone. Y'all really can't think that, can you?

Sure.

I mean, I've never seriously researched it, but what I've read before suggests there's a pretty compelling evidential basis for believing that Oswald acted entirely alone; the ballistics and whatnot checks out.


So I'm not denying that he probably pulled the trigger, at least one of them, but I don't think he just thought of all of this on his own. He was in cahoots with people. Who those people are, I do not know, but it involves the government and Jack Ruby.


I've done a fair amount of research on this topic and I'd be interested to hear your theory, along with your best corroborating evidence.


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PostPosted: Sun November 17, 2013 5:47 pm 
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Man in Black wrote:
All of the conspiracy theories involve a whole lot of assumption and little direct evidence. Ockham would not approve.

Case Closed by Gerald Posner is really the definitive work on the JFK assassination.

"if you put the murdered President of the United States on one side of a scale and that wretched waif Oswald on the other side, it doesn't balance. You want to add something weightier to Oswald. It would invest the President's death with meaning, endowing him with martyrdom. He would have died for something. . . . A conspiracy would, of course, do the job nicely." — William Manchester.



That's an excellent point.


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 Post subject: Re: JFK Assassination
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Yep. No one wants to believe that it's even possible for Oswald to act alone in this. It doesn't make sense that someone so insignificant, just by being positioned in the right place at the right time, can so profoundly alter history. I'm sorry but he can, and he probably did.


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 Post subject: Re: JFK Assassination
PostPosted: Sun November 17, 2013 7:10 pm 
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Thanks for paraphrasing the post, Chud.

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 Post subject: Re: JFK Assassination
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I need to finish reading threads before constructing my reply.


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 Post subject: Re: JFK Assassination
PostPosted: Mon November 18, 2013 5:18 am 
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There is so much info out there these days that I am honestly shocked that people still subscribe to the belief that Oswald acted alone.

So many testimonies that state shots heard from the grassy knoll, shots rising from the fence, a woman actually chased a guy who was running away from there only to be stopped by a man claiming to be secret service.

There were lots of men claiming to be secret service that day around the grassy knoll straight after the shooting despite all secret service men officially accounted for and none actually on the ground that day apart from being part of the moving motorcade. Dozens of people testified to the Dallas police and later to the Warren Commission but the whole issue was never looked into and the Commission ignored.

People such as Lee Bowers, a railroad worker sat in his tower overlooking the area behind the fence saw people there just moments before the shooting.

Police officers testified that when they heard shooting they ran to the grassy knoll area because that's where the shooting was coming from. The sheer amount of people in front of the grassy knoll who either ducked or hit the deck because they thought shooting was coming from the fence behind them is incredible. Abraham Zapruder was filming the whole thing and heard shots coming from over his right shoulder.

There is so much that was reported to the Warren Commission but flatly ignored. It's mind boggling.

Is it not strange that Oswald was this supposed lone nut but was actually given US intelligence training dating back to 1969, was seen in Jack Ruby's company more than once that year and then was killed by Jack Ruby who claimed he did it to spare Jackie Kennedy the trauma of the trial? There was testimony from someone whose name escapes me who saw Jack Ruby driving a truck with another guy in it who had a rifle just before the assassination. It's all too coincidental for me.

Why was the motorcade route suddenly changed to allow for that awkward turn onto Elm Street? Perhaps because if you look at the original route it would've bypassed the Book Depository and the grassy knoll making it hard for anyone to hide anywhere and shoot at Kennedy.


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 Post subject: Re: JFK Assassination
PostPosted: Mon November 18, 2013 6:31 pm 
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I went to Dealey Plaza while in Dallas for the show. To actually see the site in person, and to look out the Museum's window next to the one where the shots were fired and see the white Xs on the street marking where Kennedy was hit..wow, powerful stuff.
I don't think we'll ever know the real story.


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within a year, NASA will release evidence of an advanced ancient alien civilization on mars

which assassinated JFK?

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 Post subject: Re: JFK Assassination
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which assassinated JFK?

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 Post subject: Re: JFK Assassination
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obama was behind this


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George Bush Snr almost certainly was.


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 Post subject: Re: JFK Assassination
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Guys, science is your friend. It shows Oswald shot JFK. Now, whether others supported Oswald is another story. His dealings at the Russian embassy in Mexico City earlier still raise questions.


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 Post subject: Re: JFK Assassination
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its not that hard to shoot someone.

edit: i've already said too much.


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 Post subject: Re: JFK Assassination
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 Post subject: Re: JFK Assassination
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Chris_H_2 wrote:
Guys, science is your friend. It shows Oswald shot JFK. Now, whether others supported Oswald is another story. His dealings at the Russian embassy in Mexico City earlier still raise questions.


Ballistics have a well documented pro military-industrial complex bias.


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