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simple schoolboy wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
Matters wrote:
Do you worry about or even consider that the state could eventually take more power away from you over your children?
Yes, we must be vigilant.
Imagine if states started passing laws that police pronouns and identity expression in schools, until parents no longer had the right to tell their children it’s ok to be the person you are, you don’t have to hide it or be ashamed.
Truly a nightmare scenario for those who worry about government overreach.
Default pronouns and parental notification are far less of an over reach than default judgements against non affirming parents and the state taking custody of kids.
For the record, teachers can't take your kids away from you.
And since we've all heard about 1 or 2 cases of parents losing custody when there is absolutely, definitely, 100% nothing else going on but misgendering, I remain unworried about a massive state over reach driven by underpaid public servants who aren't even given the funding for pencils.
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Do you worry about or even consider that the state could eventually take more power away from you over your children?
Yes, we must be vigilant.
Imagine if states started passing laws that police pronouns and identity expression in schools, until parents no longer had the right to tell their children it’s ok to be the person you are, you don’t have to hide it or be ashamed.
Truly a nightmare scenario for those who worry about government overreach.
Default pronouns and parental notification are far less of an over reach than default judgements against non affirming parents and the state taking custody of kids.
For the record, teachers can't take your kids away from you.
And since we've all heard about 1 or 2 cases of parents losing custody when there is absolutely, definitely, 100% nothing else going on but misgendering, I remain unworried about a massive state over reach driven by underpaid public servants who aren't even given the funding for pencils.
I'm not sure that is correct in California anymore. The law can be interpreted as failure to affirm is equivalent to child abuse, so if a teacher transitions a child in secret...
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The legislation would amend existing state law to say that a court’s consideration of “the health, safety, and welfare” of the child should include “among other comprehensive factors, a parent’s affirmation of the child’s gender identity or gender expression.”
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B wrote:
For the record, teachers can't take your kids away from you.
_________________ Everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here, now, thank you. How are you?
The legislation would amend existing state law to say that a court’s consideration of “the health, safety, and welfare” of the child should include “among other comprehensive factors, a parent’s affirmation of the child’s gender identity or gender expression.”
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B wrote:
For the record, teachers can't take your kids away from you.
So then I was interpreting it correctly that a refusal to affirm could count as abusive, meaning a teacher who encourages transition could induce a loss of custody if a parent doesn’t agree with the teacher’s decision
_________________ "The fatal flaw of all revolutionaries is that they know how to tear things down but don't have a f**king clue about how to build anything."
The legislation would amend existing state law to say that a court’s consideration of “the health, safety, and welfare” of the child should include “among other comprehensive factors, a parent’s affirmation of the child’s gender identity or gender expression.”
Also:
B wrote:
For the record, teachers can't take your kids away from you.
So then I was interpreting it correctly that a refusal to affirm could count as abusive, meaning a teacher who encourages transition could induce a loss of custody if a parent doesn’t agree with the teacher’s decision
There's nothing in that law that allows judges to consider the actions of non-family members in the decision of a custody case.
A teacher being kind to a kid is just a teacher being kind to a kid, that has no bearing on a court case.
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Non-issue now as Newsom, for reasons no one could possibly guess, moves toward the center and nixes it:
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Feel like an asshole posting this as a childless millennial, but uh, possibly more plausible than competing theories.
If true, how does one restructure society to stop harming young children? Massive child tax credits*?
*especially shitty moms are actually worse than the state, so pre-K for those kids
Universal pre-K kinda looks like eliminating 8th grade Algebra in that light. They know it will harm kids with less than neglectful parents, but they have to pretend it doesn't in order to provide some benefit to kids with dysfunctional parents.
Old timey 1920s pro eugenics progressives might have over simplified things a bit, but good lord this new version is just unworkable.
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Meanwhile, the ideas that animate the CMF—particularly its endorsement of data-literacy classes as a substitute for math and its suggestion that large swaths of the traditional high-school math curriculum are obsolete—are popping up in other states. In Ohio, for example, a menu of alternative math “pathways” in high school has been touted as providing entry into a variety of appealing and lucrative careers. But the pathways labeled for data science and computer science remove many Algebra II skills; the fine print reveals that the pathways are inadequate for students who might want college degrees in those fields. School officials in Middletown, Connecticut, have proposed to revamp the traditional calculus track by scaling back on preparations for eighth-grade Algebra I and introducing mash-up algebra-and-geometry courses that would magically pack three years of instruction into two.
Add in the 4 day school week and any kids of parent(s) that cannot afford private tutoring or cannot do it themselves are screwed.
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