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Rob wrote:The only base she has is the never trump crowd, which is why she went from 73% to 30%. Liberal media/Dems have played her up, but the left wouldn’t vote for her. She’s going nowhere.
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tragabigzanda wrote:She’ll run so she can get on a debate stage and call him out. She’s doing this from a sense of ideological purpose. Not very complicated.
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Mickey wrote:Rob wrote:The only base she has is the never trump crowd, which is why she went from 73% to 30%. Liberal media/Dems have played her up, but the left wouldn’t vote for her. She’s going nowhere.
Certainly not in the Republican primary, they wouldn't!
Thu August 18, 2022 2:33 pm
BurtReynolds wrote:There is nothing moderate about these people, you freaks. She's backed by some of the most powerful and evil people on the planet. People who literally kill large numbers of people for money.
Thu August 18, 2022 3:41 pm
McParadigm wrote:BurtReynolds wrote:There is nothing moderate about these people, you freaks. She's backed by some of the most powerful and evil people on the planet. People who literally kill large numbers of people for money.
Was Herrera Beutler also backed by these powerful and evil people? Was Peter Meijer? And Tom Rice?
I assume they spread their money around, but there is little question what their ideal win scenario is: getting rid of the cult of Trump and reconfiguring the Republican party to be an effective tool for pushing their neoliberal global agenda like it was before Trump (rather than the largely ineffective and chaotic clusterfuck it currently is [this is a good thing]).McParadigm wrote:Were these oppressively powerful and evil people only backing a tight handful of Republican Representatives?
I assume so.McParadigm wrote:Was this powerful, evil money also flowing to the various state level Republican incumbents who also got primaried by their party this month?
McParadigm wrote:What specific ideological differences required all four of those Representatives to be targeted for removal? What were their key political differences from the rest of the party? Which Republican Party legislation ambitions did they reject, or which Democrat legislation ambitions did they uniquely support, that made their ejection so crucial?
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BurtReynolds wrote:
Besides, if moderation is Dick Cheney, then extremism is good and cool.
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Malloy wrote:burt -- whatd do you think of blake masters?
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BurtReynolds wrote:McParadigm wrote:Was Herrera Beutler also backed by these powerful and evil people? Was Peter Meijer? And Tom Rice?
Wouldn't know. You tell me. But they are obviously minor players compared to the daughter of Dick Cheney.
McParadigm wrote:Was this powerful, evil money also flowing to the various state level Republican incumbents who also got primaried by their party this month?
I assume so.
McParadigm wrote:What specific ideological differences required all four of those Representatives to be targeted for removal? What were their key political differences from the rest of the party? Which Republican Party legislation ambitions did they reject, or which Democrat legislation ambitions did they uniquely support, that made their ejection so crucial?
It's not ideological. I think Republican voters (rightly) see that these politicians like Cheney don't represent them or their interests, and voters don't care about the spouted positions of these politicians, because they know it's all bullshit. They've completely stopped listening. You laugh at this, but this is actually wise. Does Trump truly represent them? lol no, I don't think so, but they know he doesn't represent them either. Desperate times make people do desperate things. It's not like they have a real choice.
Their allegiance and values lies not with some imagined middle/moderate America, but to an extremely small but powerful group of extremely bad people.
I don't really care about any other conception of extremism vs. moderation. The idea of moderation as some sort of middle ground between the two party platforms is mostly nonsense to me. It's a relative term.
Besides, if moderation is Dick Cheney, then extremism is good and cool.
Thu August 18, 2022 6:16 pm
McParadigm wrote:BurtReynolds wrote:McParadigm wrote:Was Herrera Beutler also backed by these powerful and evil people? Was Peter Meijer? And Tom Rice?
Wouldn't know. You tell me. But they are obviously minor players compared to the daughter of Dick Cheney.
Obviously. Being the daughter of a man nobody wants to talk about has truly imbued Cheney with unspeakable political powers. The others probably just helped her with the incantations.
Do please continue to acknowledge that you "wouldn't know" about the very things you are asserting, though.
McParadigm wrote:Was this powerful, evil money also flowing to the various state level Republican incumbents who also got primaried by their party this month?I assume so.
"I assume so." Real wizened, clear-eyed insight there, Burt. The best blind loyalist language anyone could ever ask for.
McParadigm wrote:What specific ideological differences required all four of those Representatives to be targeted for removal? What were their key political differences from the rest of the party? Which Republican Party legislation ambitions did they reject, or which Democrat legislation ambitions did they uniquely support, that made their ejection so crucial?
It's not ideological. I think Republican voters (rightly) see that these politicians like Cheney don't represent them or their interests, and voters don't care about the spouted positions of these politicians, because they know it's all bullshit. They've completely stopped listening. You laugh at this, but this is actually wise. Does Trump truly represent them? lol no, I don't think so, but they know he doesn't represent them either. Desperate times make people do desperate things. It's not like they have a real choice.
If Cheney's legislative efforts and voting are identical to those of MAGA Republicans, and if the problem "isn't idealogical," as you say....then what does it mean to say that the "spouted positions of these politicians is all bullshit?" If two politicians have the same voting record and pursue the same goals, how is one successfully representing the party while the other is bullshit?
Liz Cheney does not stand apart from the Republican Party in any definable way, as a legislator. She was a leading advocate for defunding Planned Parenthood. She was a huge proponent of building the wall. She is a more consistent party line voter than nearly 70% of currently serving Republican Senators. The other three incumbents who were MAGA primaried were much the same.
I'm asking you to explain to me in what specific ways they had failed to represent the party. How specifically did they not represent Republican voter interests? How had any of the dozens of state officials who needed to be primaried out not represented their voters' interests? What specific actions or behaviors triggered such a cleansing?
Their allegiance and values lies not with some imagined middle/moderate America, but to an extremely small but powerful group of extremely bad people.
But you just said you didn't know this about most of them, and asked me to tell you?
I don't really care about any other conception of extremism vs. moderation. The idea of moderation as some sort of middle ground between the two party platforms is mostly nonsense to me. It's a relative term.
Besides, if moderation is Dick Cheney, then extremism is good and cool.
You're going to have to take your hands off your Dick for like 5 minutes here, dude. If it was just Liz Cheney, I would get that fixation. But, again, we're talking about three other sitting Representatives and 144 state level officials. Don't give me vagaries and trash statements like "they failed to represent their interests," give me examples that demonstrate this claim.