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The one thing people might be surprised about—Roger said that he didn't know if he could believe in God. He had his doubts. But toward the end, something really interesting happened. That week before Roger passed away, I would see him and he would talk about having visited this other place. I thought he was hallucinating. I thought they were giving him too much medication. But the day before he passed away, he wrote me a note: "This is all an elaborate hoax." I asked him, "What's a hoax?" And he was talking about this world, this place. He said it was all an illusion. I thought he was just confused. But he was not confused. He wasn't visiting heaven, not the way we think of heaven. He described it as a vastness that you can't even imagine. It was a place where the past, present, and future were happening all at once.
The one thing people might be surprised about—Roger said that he didn't know if he could believe in God. He had his doubts. But toward the end, something really interesting happened. That week before Roger passed away, I would see him and he would talk about having visited this other place. I thought he was hallucinating. I thought they were giving him too much medication. But the day before he passed away, he wrote me a note: "This is all an elaborate hoax." I asked him, "What's a hoax?" And he was talking about this world, this place. He said it was all an illusion. I thought he was just confused. But he was not confused. He wasn't visiting heaven, not the way we think of heaven. He described it as a vastness that you can't even imagine. It was a place where the past, present, and future were happening all at once.
a kid i graduated with had a major heart attack at the ripe ol age of 35. they had to revive him a total of 45 times. he is by no means a super religious or even semi religious person.
having said that he recalls talking to long dead family members and strolling towards a light. i believe this did happen to him as i do not think he would make this up. now is this proof of an afterlife or is this the workings of the brain when it is deprived of oxygen i am not sure.
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Did the "visions" (seeing dead loved ones, moving towards light, no sense of time) actually come to those who first had near-death experiences w/o any preconceived notions of what death would bring, and then gained traction due to the quantity of similar stories, or are these clichés merely instilled in our minds from the passing of those stories which were created by some religious zealot, causing the brain to basically default to that when recognizing death? Does that make sense?
I came across this page about a year ago; nderf.org (near death experience research foundation). Very interesting. Thousands of experiences. Pearl Jams music deals with themes of mortality at times. I thought fans of the band might be interested in this topic. Amazing. Please don't repeat some "when your brain is shutting down" bullshit to me. For the first time doctors were able to document a NDE experience with a woman who had a blood clot located near the botom of her brain. Doctors had to make her die for a few minutes during surgery to remove the clot from this area, they also realized that a NDE could be documented in this controlled environment. Anyhoo, when she came to she was able to describe what the doctors were saying and what they were doing during surgery, why? Because she was floating above them and observing. The surgeans reported that it was impossible for her to know what they were saying and doing……because she was fucking dead…… I also have a great grandmother who had a NDE experience very much the same as the reports on this page. I remember reading one report about a man who had died for a few minutes during a heart attack, when he asked a spirit in the after world what is the meaning of life in the physical world, the spirit said "for the entertainment of the spirit realm." Volumes of experiences here, beautiful.
nderf.org
It appears as though you are referring to (rather sloppily) the "Pam Reynolds" case, which actually occurred in 1991.
The case does not approach the black and white status you give it, there is plenty of skeptical research.
As usual folks, analyze sources, search for alternate opinions, make an informed judgment.
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LuNY wrote:
I came across this page about a year ago; nderf.org (near death experience research foundation). Very interesting. Thousands of experiences. Pearl Jams music deals with themes of mortality at times. I thought fans of the band might be interested in this topic. Amazing. Please don't repeat some "when your brain is shutting down" bullshit to me. For the first time doctors were able to document a NDE experience with a woman who had a blood clot located near the botom of her brain. Doctors had to make her die for a few minutes during surgery to remove the clot from this area, they also realized that a NDE could be documented in this controlled environment. Anyhoo, when she came to she was able to describe what the doctors were saying and what they were doing during surgery, why? Because she was floating above them and observing. The surgeans reported that it was impossible for her to know what they were saying and doing……because she was fucking dead…… I also have a great grandmother who had a NDE experience very much the same as the reports on this page. I remember reading one report about a man who had died for a few minutes during a heart attack, when he asked a spirit in the after world what is the meaning of life in the physical world, the spirit said "for the entertainment of the spirit realm." Volumes of experiences here, beautiful.
nderf.org
It appears as though you are referring to (rather sloppily) the "Pam Reynolds" case, which actually occurred in 1991.
The case does not approach the black and white status you give it, there is plenty of skeptical research.
As usual folks, analyze sources, search for alternate opinions, make an informed judgment.
MiB, meet LuNY
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