| Red Mosquito http://forums.theskyiscrape.com/ |
|
| Ukraine http://forums.theskyiscrape.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17419 |
Page 1 of 87 |
| Author: | DeLima [ Sun February 23, 2014 5:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Ukraine |
They're having a hard time these days. |
|
| Author: | tommymtcom [ Sun February 23, 2014 6:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ukraine is weak |
Ukraine is game to you? |
|
| Author: | zeb [ Sun February 23, 2014 8:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ukraine is weak |
|
|
|
| Author: | BurtReynolds [ Sun February 23, 2014 8:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ukraine is weak |
The Ukraine is not weak! |
|
| Author: | Simple Torture [ Sun February 23, 2014 10:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ukraine is weak |
I am from Ukraine! |
|
| Author: | BurtReynolds [ Sun February 23, 2014 11:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ukraine is weak |
Simple Torture wrote: I am from Ukraine! What Ukrainian stereotypes do you conform to? |
|
| Author: | simple schoolboy [ Mon February 24, 2014 1:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ukraine is weak |
I wonder what the consensus will be next winter with limited natural gas and heating oil. |
|
| Author: | Simple Torture [ Mon February 24, 2014 2:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ukraine is weak |
BurtReynolds wrote: Simple Torture wrote: I am from Ukraine! What Ukrainian stereotypes do you conform to? I ruin people's games of Risk. |
|
| Author: | Whitey McTeeth [ Mon February 24, 2014 3:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ukraine is weak |
My heart goes out to the people of Kiev, and their buttered filled chickens. |
|
| Author: | BurtReynolds [ Mon February 24, 2014 4:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ukraine is weak |
Their priests look kinda badass. |
|
| Author: | malice [ Mon February 24, 2014 6:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ukraine is weak |
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/201 ... _weak.html The Ukraine Really Is Weak Until breaking into the news recently, the country of Ukraine was probably best known to most Americans from its role as a territory on the Risk board. In particular, Ukraine-From-Risk is central to a very memorable Seinfeld scene This naturally raises the question—is the Ukraine weak? The answer, I believe, is yes. Key to analyzing this question is Garrett Robinson's paper performing mathematical analysis of Risk (ht to Walt Hickey whose summer 2013 writeup of the paper I recalled when looking into the issue). To understand the weakness of Ukraine, we need to start with the map. Here's Robinson's version, slightly annotated by me to make an important point:  One issue that arises here is that many Risk boards out there don't have a Ukraine territory. That's because the territory traditionally labeled "Ukraine" on Ukraine-having Risk boards is not even close to replicating Ukraine's location in the geography of the planet earth. The same territory is sometimes called "Russia" (and it does, roughly, correspond to European Russia's location) or "Eastern Europe." You can consider this ambiguity over Ukraine vs Russia to be somewhat emblematic of the current political crisis over there. But for our purposes, that's Ukraine all the way up to the Arctic Sea. To analyze the situation correctly you want a schematic. Here's Robinson's:  Now you see two things here. One is that there are only two territories on the board that are capable of being attacked from six different territories. One is Ukraine and the other is Ontario. But there's a big difference between Ukraine and Ontario—all of Ontario's borders are with other provinces in North America. So while Ontario is a hard space to defend, it's also frequently not a territory that will require defense, since a savvy player will concentrate forces in Mexico, Greenland, and Alaska to control the whole continent. By contrast, Ukraine is both crucial to the defense of Europe and unusually vulnerable to attack. Which is to say that Kramer was right: The Ukraine is weak (in Risk, at least). |
|
| Author: | Green Habit [ Tue February 25, 2014 1:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ukraine is weak |
Matt Yglesias really is a good writer, even if I don't agree with him all the time. |
|
| Author: | Citizen Dick [ Tue February 25, 2014 3:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ukraine is weak |
I've never played Risk before, so I may just be misunderstanding something, but, if I'm reading that schematic correctly, there are at least 5 territories that are located in such a way that they could be attacked by 6 neighboring territories. /killthejoke |
|
| Author: | malice [ Tue February 25, 2014 5:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ukraine is weak |
Green Habit wrote: Matt Yglesias really is a good writer, even if I don't agree with him all the time. i wasn't entirely sure if he was talking about the game of risk or not :/ |
|
| Author: | @SkitchP [ Tue February 25, 2014 12:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ukraine is weak |
So when ellis and I make jokes about a mass murder in Norway, we're forever branded as assholes, but it's okay about the Ukraine because the name was also a Seinfeld soundbyte? gotcha. |
|
| Author: | Self [ Tue February 25, 2014 1:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ukraine is weak |
You were forever branded as an asshole long before that, weren't you? |
|
| Author: | McParadigm [ Tue February 25, 2014 2:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ukraine is weak |
Are we letting people onto RM who aren't assholes, now? When did that start? I don't care for it. At least none of them are posting in this thread. |
|
| Author: | malice [ Tue February 25, 2014 3:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ukraine is weak |
@SkitchP wrote: So when ellis and I make jokes about a mass murder in Norway, we're forever branded as assholes, but it's okay about the Ukraine because the name was also a Seinfeld soundbyte? gotcha. i don't remember this at all, link? |
|
| Author: | McParadigm [ Tue February 25, 2014 3:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ukraine is weak |
here |
|
| Author: | malice [ Tue February 25, 2014 4:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Ukraine is weak |
McParadigm wrote: it was the the willie gault line, right? totally agree with skitch then. hey, @skitchp - could you explain please? I don't think you're an asshole. I mean, I do think you're an asshole, but just in general, which I appreciate in people, but I'm pretty baffled by your comment. |
|
| Page 1 of 87 | All times are UTC |
| Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group http://www.phpbb.com/ |
|