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Author:  broken iris [ Mon June 10, 2013 1:26 pm ]
Post subject:  NSA leak and online tracking

Team,

This is a big story. Timed right as Bradley Manning's trial begins and now with the leak 'safely' in China, there is going to be a lot more coming out soon. Should have it's own thread.

Author:  Electromatic [ Mon June 10, 2013 2:07 pm ]
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Isnt there an extradition agreement between the US and Hong Kong?

Can't help but think this guy coming out is part of his don't kill me strategy. These guys are damned lucky they are American and not Chinese.

Author:  McParadigm [ Mon June 10, 2013 2:56 pm ]
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Electromatic wrote:
Isnt there an extradition agreement between the US and Hong Kong?


Shit, yeah, there is.

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Author:  E.H. Ruddock [ Mon June 10, 2013 3:26 pm ]
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So the NSA hires people who didn't even graduate high school?

Author:  broken iris [ Mon June 10, 2013 5:34 pm ]
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I find this guy's motives to be quite dubious. Did he think they would stop doing this once every knew? After a decade with them, he cannot be that dumb. He has got to realize that they just be more invasive and more paranoid and now go after anyone who communicates concerns far more aggressively to stop these leaks before they get to this point. He's just made things worse. I would not be surprised if this guy he been selling assets to China or Russia for years and this was a hail mary to try and orchestrate an internet supported following to cover up his wrong doing by poisoning the well. If tomorrow the US government says 'he was a spy for the PRC', would you believe them? Of course not, and thus his plan worked.

Author:  McParadigm [ Mon June 10, 2013 6:32 pm ]
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As with any whistleblower scenario or political topic that pops up, the most important thing we as Americans can do is invest more time judging people than programs.

Author:  broken iris [ Mon June 10, 2013 7:55 pm ]
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McParadigm wrote:
As with any whistleblower scenario or political topic that pops up, the most important thing we as Americans can do is invest more time judging people than programs.


We don't know much of anything about it, so we cannot judge it. We do know things about Mr. Snowden though.

Author:  Electromatic [ Mon June 10, 2013 7:55 pm ]
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Is this really whistleblowing?

It's the NSA, if he did anything he reassured people that they are in fact doing thier jobs.

The entire purpose of the agency is to spy on people yes American citizens.

Author:  shinkdew [ Mon June 10, 2013 8:07 pm ]
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E.H. Ruddock wrote:
So the NSA hires people who didn't even graduate high school?


To be honest, this was the most shocking part of the story for me. It was the CIA that hired him, Booz Allen too.

Author:  McParadigm [ Mon June 10, 2013 8:10 pm ]
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broken iris wrote:
We don't know much of anything about it, so we cannot judge it. We do know things about Mr. Snowden though.


Man was matter, that was Snowden's secret. Drop him out a window and he'll fall. Set fire to him and he'll burn. Bury him and he'll rot, like other kinds of garbage. The spirit gone, man is garbage.

Author:  McParadigm [ Mon June 10, 2013 8:11 pm ]
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Honestly, though, I was just ribbing you. The whole "WHO IS THIS WHISTLEBLOWER" media thing is always so tiresome to me.

Author:  Jorge [ Mon June 10, 2013 8:13 pm ]
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McParadigm wrote:
broken iris wrote:
We don't know much of anything about it, so we cannot judge it. We do know things about Mr. Snowden though.


Man was matter, that was Snowden's secret. Drop him out a window and he'll fall. Set fire to him and he'll burn. Bury him and he'll rot, like other kinds of garbage. The spirit gone, man is garbage.

Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?

Author:  broken iris [ Mon June 10, 2013 8:18 pm ]
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shinkdew wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
So the NSA hires people who didn't even graduate high school?


Booz Allen too.



You must not have met many BAH employees. They are the 'pharmaceutical salespeople' of the defense industry.

Author:  tommymtcom [ Mon June 10, 2013 8:26 pm ]
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broken iris wrote:
I find this guy's motives to be quite dubious. Did he think they would stop doing this once every knew? After a decade with them, he cannot be that dumb. He has got to realize that they just be more invasive and more paranoid and now go after anyone who communicates concerns far more aggressively to stop these leaks before they get to this point. He's just made things worse. I would not be surprised if this guy he been selling assets to China or Russia for years and this was a hail mary to try and orchestrate an internet supported following to cover up his wrong doing by poisoning the well. If tomorrow the US government says 'he was a spy for the PRC', would you believe them? Of course not, and thus his plan worked.


That's an awful lot of assuming...

Author:  simple schoolboy [ Mon June 10, 2013 9:28 pm ]
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Author:  tommymtcom [ Mon June 10, 2013 9:38 pm ]
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simple schoolboy wrote:
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God, this is depressing.

Author:  Human Bass [ Mon June 10, 2013 11:22 pm ]
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Author:  Fuck You Jobu [ Tue June 11, 2013 12:34 am ]
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Electromatic wrote:
Is this really whistleblowing?

It's the NSA, if he did anything he reassured people that they are in fact doing thier jobs.

The entire purpose of the agency is to spy on people yes American citizens.


No. No it's not.

Author:  simple schoolboy [ Tue June 11, 2013 12:41 am ]
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Back in the good old days, didn't FISA require that at least one party in electronic communications be a foreign national, hence the first letter of the Acronym?

Author:  Whitey McTeeth [ Tue June 11, 2013 2:38 am ]
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I just want to say, way to go government. I am loyal citizen. Hail to our dear Leader. Floss after every meal.

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