Medical malpractice is the standard. Just look at big pharma for example.

Is it, Dev? That’s a bit much.

I don’t think people have a problem with Trans rights, I think it’s a confusing issue and people have questions. The main one involves kids. I have 3 kids ranging from 7-12 and it seems really crazy to me to think they’re informed or capable enough to make decisions like these. They haven’t even had a chance to know their bodies yet. Then there is the (less important) issue of sports. Are we, in the name of Trans rights, going to sit there and pretend that the trans swimmer who is twice the size of the bio females had no advantage? These things need to be talked about, and people’s concerns should be taken seriously. I try to be as liberal and open as possible, but even I struggle with this.

Let me assure you that Ivy league swim meets do not need to be talked about.

Penn? How does that compare to Brown in the bottom of the Ivy rankings? Might as well make Duke and Rice official members.

Edit: I think Varsity Blues did a good job of showing the importance of athletic scholarships for Ivy & lesser private colleges. The less than bright children of families with money but without legacy scholarships only really have a chance with athletics. Leah Thomas transitioned after attending, but presumably could have taken the spot of a natal female if she had transitioned in highschool, and whose college essay about finding their true self in their authentic gender ID would have been a shoe in.

Won't someone please think of the less than bright cisgender daughters of families with money but without legacy scholarships!

That they might be someone other than a Autogenophile is one thing in their favor, sure.

This is the same spirit of "fuck young white male authors"

At some point you want the best to move forward in their development, unless you're disparate impact pilled.

This argument will carry more weight when a 230lb trans woman swimmer starts winning some meets.

Agree, the majority of parents want their kids to be happy, supported, and feel lovedno matter what their gender/sexuality may be. Personally I can't imagine a scenario where I would love my kids less because they are struggling with something like this. And with all due respect to the MickB klan, it's not anti-trans to want to slow down and consider that a preteen's life experiences and psychology can be unique and pretty complex, far more than what a teacher or parent might understand, and that schools and social workers and governments shouldn't be pushing any general answer outside of independent evaluation and parental consent for each individual child.

This is also why I think the messaging that "gender affirmation is suicide prevention" is so powerful and can be dangerous. It shortcuts everything that leads up to the point where the child can understand themselves and develop their own unique identity, trans or not. If the child is struggling, moving too quickly to affirmation due to a belief that inaction would lead to suicide doesn't actually help the child. What that should say is "mental health is suicide prevention" because proper mental health evaluation includes helping the young person understand themselves from the standpoint of sexuality and gender.

Homeschool your kids.

I don't know about that... but goddamn if the entirety of modern leftism isn't captured in that sentence.

with idiocy running so rampant in this country? holy fuck is the future screwed

Is this white supremacy?

Yes. Precisely.

I have it on good authority that concepts such as merit and quality are white supremacist.

Didn't feel like typing this up last night, but it bears mentioning in the context of this unbelievably stupid parade of posts:

The Ivy League does not offer athletic scholarships.

So there's no real money on the table when you concern-troll about the fairness of Lia (not Leah) Thomas taking another student's spot. The Ivys do offer special admissions considerations each year for a limited number of student-athletes. I'm no expert on this shit but I think for football they get up to 30 spots, and it's far fewer for other sports. In all cases, it can only make up for a slight deficiency in a student's record--maybe an underwhelming SAT score. As you noted, Lia transitioned after admission, so this doubly doesn't apply, but let's assume otherwise--you're talking about one high-achieving but not quite elite student (a trans swimmer) being admitted to one of the most selective schools on the planet (the PMC production factory) over another high-achieving but, again, not quite elite student (a cisgender swimmer). Not something I give a shit about, not something worth discussing--not because "fuck whitey" or whatever imagined Twitter belief you want to ascribe to me, but because the inverse scenario would mean that trans students are barred from being considered student-athletes at the PMC factory, which seems like at least as harmful and exclusionary of a policy, if not more-so. So I don't care to adjudicate between two imperfect policies with minimal reach in a broader landscape of college admissions that is nakedly unfair in much more significant ways. The losing student--who, again, is entirely made-up and does not exist!--will be just fine going to Duke or Georgetown.

Mickey, is there any part of you that would pause when a 19-21 year old “Man” decided he wasn’t a man and then transitioned only to go on and dominate women sports? I’m a liberal guy, I just want everyone happy. I’ll call you whatever pronoun you want and won’t think twice. So tell me why I don’t feel so good about this development. The fact that it’s Ivy League and therefore not associated with scholarship isn’t a relevant detail to me. It’s about people like Lia Thomas - a person I do think deserves dignity and equal opportunity.

Double post

How would I ever be able to tell you why you feel the way you do? Go see a therapist.

In the grand scheme, it’s just sports.

I appreciate your points of view, guys. I worry about progressive politics going too far, too fast and becoming counterproductive. This RM sub-forum is (I assume) a pretty good resource for us. We practice (or read) political debate every day. I can’t even tell you how much I’ve learned from this place.

I honestly don’t give a fuck about swimming competitions in general, let alone Lia Thomas. That story has zero to do with me, I wouldn’t know about it unless someone told me. But, Trans + sports (athletics) does present an issue, doesn’t it? Why do people shy away?