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Post subject: Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism
Posted: Fri June 26, 2020 1:18 am
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Strat wrote:
I dont think you are racist tree. I really dont.
I think you have a major fucking blindspot regarding race and you often seem to be willfully obtuse and/or play devils advocate that brings into question your moral ground at times.
I agree with all of this. I think tree_ has decided it's mostly a poverty issue and he separates poverty from systemic racism. I don't, and it doesn't seem like most other people in this thread do either, but just because he does that doesn't make him a racist.
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Post subject: Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism
Posted: Fri June 26, 2020 12:51 pm
Looks Like a Cat
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tree_ wrote:
Reported. I don't think there's much worse of a person, if any, than a racist and I don't deserve to be called one repeatedly.
See, you're a progressive after all!
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Post subject: Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism
Posted: Fri June 26, 2020 2:26 pm
Troglodyte
Joined: Wed December 19, 2012 9:53 pm Posts: 22532 Location: Chapel Hill, NC, USA
Strat wrote:
I dont think you are racist tree. I really dont.
I think you have a major fucking blindspot regarding race and you often seem to be willfully obtuse and/or play devils advocate that brings into question your moral ground at times.
Being unwilling to dig through 45 pages of this thread, I will conceded this fact. I do not think that tree_ thinks black people are inferior to white people.
I do think he stances on policy have been determined by the black community at large to be detrimental.
I don't know what to call a person who is racist in function, but not racist in spirit. No one does.
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Post subject: Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism
Posted: Fri June 26, 2020 2:32 pm
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B wrote:
Strat wrote:
I dont think you are racist tree. I really dont.
I think you have a major fucking blindspot regarding race and you often seem to be willfully obtuse and/or play devils advocate that brings into question your moral ground at times.
Being unwilling to dig through 45 pages of this thread, I will conceded this fact. I do not think that tree_ thinks black people are inferior to white people.
I do think he stances on policy have been determined by the black community at large to be detrimental.
I don't know what to call a person who is racist in function, but not racist in spirit. No one does.
No. I think it's absolutely vital to help struggling, poor communities. I was arguing that the way to help these communities is complicated, and so is locating the actual problems to fix. Getting rid of police and seeing ghosts of racism everywhere actually does more harm than good, specifically to these communities.
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Post subject: Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism
Posted: Fri June 26, 2020 2:33 pm
Troglodyte
Joined: Wed December 19, 2012 9:53 pm Posts: 22532 Location: Chapel Hill, NC, USA
tree_ wrote:
B wrote:
Strat wrote:
I dont think you are racist tree. I really dont.
I think you have a major fucking blindspot regarding race and you often seem to be willfully obtuse and/or play devils advocate that brings into question your moral ground at times.
Being unwilling to dig through 45 pages of this thread, I will conceded this fact. I do not think that tree_ thinks black people are inferior to white people.
I do think he stances on policy have been determined by the black community at large to be detrimental.
I don't know what to call a person who is racist in function, but not racist in spirit. No one does.
No. I think it's absolutely vital to help struggling, poor communities. I was arguing that the way to help these communities is complicated, and so is locating the actual problems to fix. Getting rid of police and seeing ghosts of racism everywhere actually does more harm than good, specifically to these communities.
No, you misunderstand me. The policies you've been pushing in this thread are detrimental to the black community.
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Post subject: Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism
Posted: Fri June 26, 2020 2:34 pm
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Joined: Thu April 04, 2013 6:27 am Posts: 17793 Location: Port Perry Lodge on voluptuous Lake Perry
B wrote:
tree_ wrote:
B wrote:
Strat wrote:
I dont think you are racist tree. I really dont.
I think you have a major fucking blindspot regarding race and you often seem to be willfully obtuse and/or play devils advocate that brings into question your moral ground at times.
Being unwilling to dig through 45 pages of this thread, I will conceded this fact. I do not think that tree_ thinks black people are inferior to white people.
I do think he stances on policy have been determined by the black community at large to be detrimental.
I don't know what to call a person who is racist in function, but not racist in spirit. No one does.
No. I think it's absolutely vital to help struggling, poor communities. I was arguing that the way to help these communities is complicated, and so is locating the actual problems to fix. Getting rid of police and seeing ghosts of racism everywhere actually does more harm than good, specifically to these communities.
No, you misunderstand me. The policies you've been pushing in this thread are detrimental to the black community.
Name one.
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Post subject: Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism
Posted: Fri June 26, 2020 2:57 pm
Troglodyte
Joined: Wed December 19, 2012 9:53 pm Posts: 22532 Location: Chapel Hill, NC, USA
tree_ wrote:
B wrote:
tree_ wrote:
there might be systemic racism. There also might be a talking jelly fish in my bedroom.
LOL that's not a policy B! I admit that was a stupid comment. I was referring to the lack of evidence for it in the police though, I'm sure.
Give me a break. What's your point there? That systemic racism is as likely as a talking jelly fish. What policies stem from that point of view?
There's no such thing as systemic racism. The problems of black communities are their own. Perceived injustices are just black people playing the victim. Carry on with life as normal.
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Post subject: Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism
Posted: Fri June 26, 2020 3:03 pm
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Joined: Thu April 04, 2013 6:27 am Posts: 17793 Location: Port Perry Lodge on voluptuous Lake Perry
B wrote:
tree_ wrote:
B wrote:
tree_ wrote:
there might be systemic racism. There also might be a talking jelly fish in my bedroom.
LOL that's not a policy B! I admit that was a stupid comment. I was referring to the lack of evidence for it in the police though, I'm sure.
Give me a break. What's your point there? That systemic racism is as likely as a talking jelly fish. What policies stem from that point of view?
There's no such thing as systemic racism. The problems of black communities are their own. Perceived injustices are just black people playing the victim. Carry on with life as normal.
I am not saying any of those things. I strongly disagree. I will clarify: There is systemic racism. But where? Problems of the black community are our problems and we should do something about it. What, though, isn't clear to me. Do not carry on with life as normal.
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Post subject: Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism
Posted: Fri June 26, 2020 3:04 pm
Troglodyte
Joined: Wed December 19, 2012 9:53 pm Posts: 22532 Location: Chapel Hill, NC, USA
tree_ wrote:
B wrote:
tree_ wrote:
B wrote:
tree_ wrote:
there might be systemic racism. There also might be a talking jelly fish in my bedroom.
LOL that's not a policy B! I admit that was a stupid comment. I was referring to the lack of evidence for it in the police though, I'm sure.
Give me a break. What's your point there? That systemic racism is as likely as a talking jelly fish. What policies stem from that point of view?
There's no such thing as systemic racism. The problems of black communities are their own. Perceived injustices are just black people playing the victim. Carry on with life as normal.
I am not saying any of those things. I strongly disagree. I will clarify: There is systemic racism. But where? Problems of the black community are our problems and we should do something about it. What, though, isn't clear to me. Do not carry on with life as normal.
Well, thus we progress, I guess.
_________________ Everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here, now, thank you. How are you?
I think you have a major fucking blindspot regarding race and you often seem to be willfully obtuse and/or play devils advocate that brings into question your moral ground at times.
Being unwilling to dig through 45 pages of this thread, I will conceded this fact. I do not think that tree_ thinks black people are inferior to white people.
I do think he stances on policy have been determined by the black community at large to be detrimental.
I don't know what to call a person who is racist in function, but not racist in spirit. No one does.
Post subject: Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism
Posted: Fri June 26, 2020 3:30 pm
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Joined: Thu April 04, 2013 6:27 am Posts: 17793 Location: Port Perry Lodge on voluptuous Lake Perry
durdencommatyler wrote:
B wrote:
Strat wrote:
I dont think you are racist tree. I really dont.
I think you have a major fucking blindspot regarding race and you often seem to be willfully obtuse and/or play devils advocate that brings into question your moral ground at times.
Being unwilling to dig through 45 pages of this thread, I will conceded this fact. I do not think that tree_ thinks black people are inferior to white people.
I do think he stances on policy have been determined by the black community at large to be detrimental.
I don't know what to call a person who is racist in function, but not racist in spirit. No one does.
I do. The word you're looking for is racist.
Now it's your turn. Name one racist policy you perceive me to support.
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I will clarify: There is systemic racism. But where? Problems of the black community are our problems and we should do something about it. What, though, isn't clear to me. Do not carry on with life as normal.
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