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I think people can tell the difference between those protesters and the protesters who got gassed for kneeling in the street when Trump wanted to stage a photo op.
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The video recording of the murder, known as the "Dinkheller video", has become ubiquitous in U.S. police academies. According to Vox, the video's purpose in training "is to teach officers that any situation could escalate to violence. Cop killers lurk around every corner."
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If the cops weren't so busy shooting unarmed black men, maybe some of them could go clear the protesters out of that diner.
Why is this surprising? What the fuck did you think was gonna happen?
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its really tiresome to see these ¨good guys¨ talking about any political stuff in tv while also being kinda funny and hip and cool....its just...please enough of this shit.
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Will be interesting to see how the self defense argument holds up when it's preceded by traveling across state lines to carry a gun to defend someone else's property.
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You've fulfilled your duty to retreat* if you're flat on your ass. Getting hit in the head and having another dude pull a handgun on you (after trying to retreat/ de-escalate) yeah, thats self defense.
Things change if the first shooting was not justified, but he appears to have been chased by some people in that incident as well. Have no idea what transpired after he ran around that car, however.
*Wisconsin is not a stand-your-ground state
I am curious about this kids parents. They bought him an AR and just let him take it wherever at all hours? I wonder if they will face any charges. In CA, if a minor takes a firearm from your residence to a public place, thats a paddlin'
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simple schoolboy wrote:
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simple schoolboy wrote:
Are we calling that video self-defense?
You've fulfilled your duty to retreat* if you're flat on your ass. Getting hit in the head and having another dude pull a handgun on you (after trying to retreat/ de-escalate) yeah, thats self defense.
Things change if the first shooting was not justified, but he appears to have been chased by some people in that incident as well. Have no idea what transpired after he ran around that car, however.
*Wisconsin is not a stand-your-ground state
I am curious about this kids parents. They bought him an AR and just let him take it wherever at all hours? I wonder if they will face any charges. In CA, if a minor takes a firearm from your residence to a public place, thats a paddlin'
I suppose the case is going to depend on what happened leading up to that video. That's a guy in the middle of a riot? protest? something? with a gun. How'd he get there? Was he threatening people with the gun? I don't know the answer to these questions, but I don't imagine it's wrong for the authorities to ask them.
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Will be interesting to see how the self defense argument holds up when it's preceded by traveling across state lines to carry a gun to defend someone else's property.
What is the significance of traveling across state lines? I've seen a couple folks bring it up. He's also all of 20 minutes from home.
Does Wisconsin use state-line modifications for anything other than sex trafficing?
Will be interesting to see how the self defense argument holds up when it's preceded by traveling across state lines to carry a gun to defend someone else's property.
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bet he was on his way to verb's
Musket time.
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Yeah, how can it be self defense if you drove to a heated protest area with a gun and basically put yourself into a position to use the gun?
If he lived on that street and was on his porch or at his door watching the protests protecting his house, it's probably a different story. But I think he's in trouble on this one.
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Yeah, how can it be self defense if you drove to a heated protest area with a gun and basically put yourself into a position to use the gun?
If he lived on that street and was on his porch or at his door watching the protests protecting his house, it's probably a different story. But I think he's in trouble on this one.
That's not the basis for self defense at all. Self defense doesn't fly out the window because you go to a "heated area".
Yeah, how can it be self defense if you drove to a heated protest area with a gun and basically put yourself into a position to use the gun?
If he lived on that street and was on his porch or at his door watching the protests protecting his house, it's probably a different story. But I think he's in trouble on this one.
That's not the basis for self defense at all. Self defense doesn't fly out the window because you go to a "heated area".
That and it only takes one bigot (or gun nut) to acquit and every arson/assault/looting the protestors commit from here is making more of them.
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