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Bammer · **Posted:** Sat October 31, 2020 2:14 pm

Educate me: What’s the fallout when an unarmed mental health professional responds to this call and gets stabbed in the throat?

verb_to_trust · **Posted:** Sat October 31, 2020 3:38 pm

Bammer wrote:

Educate me: What’s the fallout when an unarmed mental health professional responds to this call and gets stabbed in the throat?

Those people have special mind control powers. They're basically X Men. Nothing to worry about

B · **Posted:** Sat October 31, 2020 4:51 pm

I used to be a social worker. I had people freak out. You get hours of training on how to know when someone is getting upset, de-escalate before they pull out a weapon, and keep yourself safe once they have a weapon out. The magic is in steps 1 and 2. If cops have any training whatsoever in those areas than it is comically invisible.

Bammer · **Posted:** Sat October 31, 2020 9:56 pm

Ok and for people already waving a weapon?

B · **Posted:** Sat October 31, 2020 10:39 pm

Bammer wrote:

Ok and for people already waving a weapon?

I'm not sure, but I'd like the decision tree to be more than

Has Weapon? > Yes > Kill

96583UP · **Joined:** Sun September 15, 2013 5:50 am **Posts:** 22434

learning how to accurately throw a cast net probably a lot less time consuming than learning how to accurately shoot a gun

verb_to_trust · **Posted:** Sat October 31, 2020 11:32 pm

B wrote:

I used to be a social worker. I had people freak out. You get hours of training on how to know when someone is getting upset, de-escalate before they pull out a weapon, and keep yourself safe once they have a weapon out. The magic is in steps 1 and 2. If cops have any training whatsoever in those areas than it is comically invisible.

I knew a DCFS caseworker who got her head bashed in by a guy who was pissed about her trying to remove his kid from his care. It was pretty sad stuff. She died.

BurtReynolds · **Posted:** Sun November 01, 2020 8:07 am

I do think cops should be expected to take on more risk than the average citizen, but is there an actual legal mechanism that can mandate that? They aren't military. It seems like forcing cops to take larger risks with their safety can't be done through legal means. Or can it?

B · **Posted:** Sun November 01, 2020 11:57 am

BurtReynolds wrote:

I do think cops should be expected to take on more risk than the average citizen, but is there an actual legal mechanism that can mandate that? They aren't military. It seems like forcing cops to take larger risks with their safety can't be done through legal means. Or can it?

I don't see why not. Set standards, train on them, test on them before you get a gun, and discipline failures to adhere.

Bi_3 · **Joined:** Wed April 20, 2016 7:11 pm **Posts:** 14269

B wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

I do think cops should be expected to take on more risk than the average citizen, but is there an actual legal mechanism that can mandate that? They aren't military. It seems like forcing cops to take larger risks with their safety can't be done through legal means. Or can it?

I don't see why not. Set standards, train on them, test on them before you get a gun, and discipline failures to adhere.

Pretty sure this is what they do today.

B · **Posted:** Sun November 01, 2020 1:26 pm

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

I do think cops should be expected to take on more risk than the average citizen, but is there an actual legal mechanism that can mandate that? They aren't military. It seems like forcing cops to take larger risks with their safety can't be done through legal means. Or can it?

I don't see why not. Set standards, train on them, test on them before you get a gun, and discipline failures to adhere.

Pretty sure this is what they do today.

Bi_3 · **Joined:** Wed April 20, 2016 7:11 pm **Posts:** 14269

B wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

I do think cops should be expected to take on more risk than the average citizen, but is there an actual legal mechanism that can mandate that? They aren't military. It seems like forcing cops to take larger risks with their safety can't be done through legal means. Or can it?

I don't see why not. Set standards, train on them, test on them before you get a gun, and discipline failures to adhere.

Pretty sure this is what they do today.

https://ncdoj.gov/law-enforcement-train ... -training/

B · **Posted:** Sun November 01, 2020 4:58 pm

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

I do think cops should be expected to take on more risk than the average citizen, but is there an actual legal mechanism that can mandate that? They aren't military. It seems like forcing cops to take larger risks with their safety can't be done through legal means. Or can it?

I don't see why not. Set standards, train on them, test on them before you get a gun, and discipline failures to adhere.

Pretty sure this is what they do today.

https://ncdoj.gov/law-enforcement-train ... -training/

"include topics such as Firearms, Driver Training, Motor Vehicle Law, and Arrest, Search and Seizure."

Now add de-escalation, crisis management, and protection of civil rights, which are what we're talking about, not pew pew training.

Or, y'know, take a little PD funding and train some social workers to go out and handle nonviolent 911 calls.

Bi_3 · **Joined:** Wed April 20, 2016 7:11 pm **Posts:** 14269

B wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

I do think cops should be expected to take on more risk than the average citizen, but is there an actual legal mechanism that can mandate that? They aren't military. It seems like forcing cops to take larger risks with their safety can't be done through legal means. Or can it?

I don't see why not. Set standards, train on them, test on them before you get a gun, and discipline failures to adhere.

Pretty sure this is what they do today.

https://ncdoj.gov/law-enforcement-train ... -training/

"include topics such as Firearms, Driver Training, Motor Vehicle Law, and Arrest, Search and Seizure."

Now add de-escalation, crisis management, and protection of civil rights, which are what we're talking about, not pew pew training.

Or, y'know, take a little PD funding and train some social workers to go out and handle nonviolent 911 calls.

Something like this?

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/ ... 26158.html

B · **Posted:** Mon November 02, 2020 6:52 pm

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

I do think cops should be expected to take on more risk than the average citizen, but is there an actual legal mechanism that can mandate that? They aren't military. It seems like forcing cops to take larger risks with their safety can't be done through legal means. Or can it?

I don't see why not. Set standards, train on them, test on them before you get a gun, and discipline failures to adhere.

Pretty sure this is what they do today.

https://ncdoj.gov/law-enforcement-train ... -training/

"include topics such as Firearms, Driver Training, Motor Vehicle Law, and Arrest, Search and Seizure."

Now add de-escalation, crisis management, and protection of civil rights, which are what we're talking about, not pew pew training.

Or, y'know, take a little PD funding and train some social workers to go out and handle nonviolent 911 calls.

Something like this?

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/ ... 26158.html

Yes. Something like that.

B · **Posted:** Mon November 02, 2020 6:52 pm

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

B wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

I do think cops should be expected to take on more risk than the average citizen, but is there an actual legal mechanism that can mandate that? They aren't military. It seems like forcing cops to take larger risks with their safety can't be done through legal means. Or can it?

I don't see why not. Set standards, train on them, test on them before you get a gun, and discipline failures to adhere.

Pretty sure this is what they do today.

https://ncdoj.gov/law-enforcement-train ... -training/

"include topics such as Firearms, Driver Training, Motor Vehicle Law, and Arrest, Search and Seizure."

Now add de-escalation, crisis management, and protection of civil rights, which are what we're talking about, not pew pew training.

Or, y'know, take a little PD funding and train some social workers to go out and handle nonviolent 911 calls.

Something like this?

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/ ... 26158.html

Yes. Something like that.

B · **Posted:** Mon November 02, 2020 7:34 pm

African-Americans here in North Carolina are telling each other to stay home tomorrow and Wednesday regardless of the results for fear of being attacked.

surfndestroy · **Joined:** Wed January 02, 2013 2:21 am **Posts:** 2870

B wrote:

African-Americans here in North Carolina are telling each other to stay home tomorrow and Wednesday regardless of the results for fear of being attacked.

African Americans is an outdated term. It invalidates the life experiences of caucasians of African descent now living in America. Please use Black people instead.

verb_to_trust · **Posted:** Mon November 02, 2020 8:34 pm

B wrote:

African-Americans here in North Carolina are telling each other to stay home tomorrow and Wednesday regardless of the results for fear of being attacked.

Where is this information coming from?

surfndestroy · **Joined:** Wed January 02, 2013 2:21 am **Posts:** 2870

verb_to_trust wrote:

B wrote:

African-Americans here in North Carolina are telling each other to stay home tomorrow and Wednesday regardless of the results for fear of being attacked.

Where is this information coming from?

BLA.

Black Lives Matter

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