Tue July 10, 2018 3:03 pm
McParadigm wrote:--- wrote:McParadigm wrote:Any thoughts from our resident Court followers about the fact that this future Supreme Court Justice introduced himself to the public with a blatant lie whose only purpose was to sycophantically flatter the president’s ego?
Coming out of the gate with a propaganda-level falsehood on your way to the highest court in the land seems....not great?
Maybe it's just me, but the 300+ opinions he authored during his fifteen years on the appeals court seem more likely to be instructive about what to expect than anything uttered during an introductory exercise whose whole point is to flatter and wheedle and deliver exactly nothing of substance.
Maybe it’s just me, but they aren’t mutually exclusive, it is a revealing behavior, and we don’t have limited space to discuss.
Tue July 10, 2018 3:05 pm
Tue July 10, 2018 3:09 pm
cutuphalfdead wrote:Stupid McP, thinking the words people say mean anything.
Tue July 10, 2018 3:19 pm
Tue July 10, 2018 3:28 pm
--- wrote:Now, if you say the man is a swamp monster and serial ingratiator based on the entirety of his academic and professional experience, that's a different story.
But based on a single press conference? Pfft. That is pure noise.
Tue July 10, 2018 3:38 pm
McParadigm wrote:And actually, it was the context provided by some of his former writings that made the statement stand out to me. As someone who has already argued that the indictment and trial of a president would be unacceptable as a general rule, he’s already demonstrated that he is inclined against allowing any legal consequences to befall the holder of the office.
McParadigm wrote:To commit a sycophantic act immediately upon nomination...to lie for the president...is not inconsequential in that light, and certainly not in our current state.
McParadigm wrote:It should go without saying that we are very interested in any insightful review of information about his other past work. You are more than welcome to provide some.
Tue July 10, 2018 3:41 pm
--- wrote:McParadigm wrote:And actually, it was the context provided by some of his former writings that made the statement stand out to me. As someone who has already argued that the indictment and trial of a president would be unacceptable as a general rule, he’s already demonstrated that he is inclined against allowing any legal consequences to befall the holder of the office.
This is totally different and completely fair.McParadigm wrote:To commit a sycophantic act immediately upon nomination...to lie for the president...is not inconsequential in that light, and certainly not in our current state.
Noise. This just seems kind of silly to get worked up about.McParadigm wrote:It should go without saying that we are very interested in any insightful review of information about his other past work. You are more than welcome to provide some.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... rump-cover
Tue July 10, 2018 3:45 pm
Tue July 10, 2018 3:50 pm
McParadigm wrote:--- wrote:McParadigm wrote:And actually, it was the context provided by some of his former writings that made the statement stand out to me. As someone who has already argued that the indictment and trial of a president would be unacceptable as a general rule, he’s already demonstrated that he is inclined against allowing any legal consequences to befall the holder of the office.
This is totally different and completely fair.McParadigm wrote:To commit a sycophantic act immediately upon nomination...to lie for the president...is not inconsequential in that light, and certainly not in our current state.
Noise. This just seems kind of silly to get worked up about.McParadigm wrote:It should go without saying that we are very interested in any insightful review of information about his other past work. You are more than welcome to provide some.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... rump-cover
I’ve read the Bloomberg piece.
And the thing is, I don’t disagree at all with your argument that his precedential work is more important as a tool of insight. I just can’t agree that everything outside that frame is unimportant.
Tue July 10, 2018 3:51 pm
tragabigzanda wrote:The only reason Kavanaugh got the nom is because of his views on investigations into a sitting POTUS.
Tue July 10, 2018 3:53 pm
--- wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:The only reason Kavanaugh got the nom is because of his views on investigations into a sitting POTUS.
And you know this how?
Tue July 10, 2018 3:55 pm
--- wrote:McParadigm wrote:--- wrote:McParadigm wrote:And actually, it was the context provided by some of his former writings that made the statement stand out to me. As someone who has already argued that the indictment and trial of a president would be unacceptable as a general rule, he’s already demonstrated that he is inclined against allowing any legal consequences to befall the holder of the office.
This is totally different and completely fair.McParadigm wrote:To commit a sycophantic act immediately upon nomination...to lie for the president...is not inconsequential in that light, and certainly not in our current state.
Noise. This just seems kind of silly to get worked up about.McParadigm wrote:It should go without saying that we are very interested in any insightful review of information about his other past work. You are more than welcome to provide some.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... rump-cover
I’ve read the Bloomberg piece.
And the thing is, I don’t disagree at all with your argument that his precedential work is more important as a tool of insight. I just can’t agree that everything outside that frame is unimportant.
It's less that I think "everything outside that frame is unimportant" than it is that I think this particular event is unimportant.
A prospective nominee being milquetoast and gracious - perhaps even sycophantic - to the guy who is essentially hiring him, and who has yet to run what will doubtlessly be an absolutely unhinged, overtly political appointment gauntlet, is par for the course. There is only downside to anything but staid boilerplate, even if that requires being liberal with the truth. There is literally no upside for Kavanaugh to play his cards any way other than how he played them.
It means nothing, and any time spent scrutinizing it is time wasted.
Tue July 10, 2018 3:55 pm
tragabigzanda wrote:--- wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:The only reason Kavanaugh got the nom is because of his views on investigations into a sitting POTUS.
And you know this how?
Don't be a shithead, I don't "know" anything with any more or less certainty than you do. My belief is that Trump's intention is obvious because there is a wealth of conservative justices to draw from, but considerably fewer who hold this particular view on investigations into a POTUS.
Tue July 10, 2018 3:56 pm
Strat wrote:yet, here we are.
Tue July 10, 2018 4:09 pm
Tue July 10, 2018 5:10 pm
tragabigzanda wrote:--- wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:The only reason Kavanaugh got the nom is because of his views on investigations into a sitting POTUS.
And you know this how?
Don't be a shithead, I don't "know" anything with any more or less certainty than you do. My belief is that Trump's intention is obvious because there is a wealth of conservative justices to draw from, but considerably fewer who hold this particular view on investigations into a POTUS.
Tue July 10, 2018 5:36 pm
bune wrote:
Tue July 10, 2018 10:02 pm
Tue July 10, 2018 10:34 pm
Jammer XCI wrote:96583UP wrote:Hmmmm, let's see:
1. He is not a trans
2. He is not a woman
3. He is not gay
4. He is not black
SO HE'S OBVIOUSLY NOT QUALIFIED
Shut up, the adults are talking now.
Tue July 10, 2018 10:38 pm
bune wrote:OK, sure.