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 Post subject: Re: The Supreme Court
PostPosted: Thu December 07, 2017 3:36 pm 
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I'm confused by all the fake news about this case... did the baker offer to sell them an existing cake from the store (just not decorate as they requested)? Did the baker sell cakes for other LGBTQ events? What is real anymore?!?!?!?!
As I understand the facts (copied from that Carpenter/Volokh brief I linked):

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In 2012, Respondent Craig and Mullins walked into Masterpiece Cakeshop and were looking through a photo album of owner Jack Phillips’s custom-designed cakes. Phillips sat down to greet them at a consultation table. According to Phillips’s own account, “the men said they wanted a wedding cake for ‘our wedding.’” Phillips replied that he does not “create wedding cakes for same-sex weddings.” Phillips then added, “I’ll make your birthday cakes, shower cakes, sell you cookies and brownies, I just don’t make cakes for same-sex weddings.” The couple got up and left, with no further discussion. The entire exchange lasted 20 seconds.


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Bi_3 wrote:
I'm confused by all the fake news about this case... did the baker offer to sell them an existing cake from the store (just not decorate as they requested)? Did the baker sell cakes for other LGBTQ events? What is real anymore?!?!?!?!
As I understand the facts (copied from that Carpenter/Volokh brief I linked):

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In 2012, Respondent Craig and Mullins walked into Masterpiece Cakeshop and were looking through a photo album of owner Jack Phillips’s custom-designed cakes. Phillips sat down to greet them at a consultation table. According to Phillips’s own account, “the men said they wanted a wedding cake for ‘our wedding.’” Phillips replied that he does not “create wedding cakes for same-sex weddings.” Phillips then added, “I’ll make your birthday cakes, shower cakes, sell you cookies and brownies, I just don’t make cakes for same-sex weddings.” The couple got up and left, with no further discussion. The entire exchange lasted 20 seconds.


Y'know, I don't think businesses should be able to discriminate, but this really just looks like some liberals looking for a problem where there wasn't one.

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 Post subject: Re: The Supreme Court
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Green Habit wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
I'm confused by all the fake news about this case... did the baker offer to sell them an existing cake from the store (just not decorate as they requested)? Did the baker sell cakes for other LGBTQ events? What is real anymore?!?!?!?!
As I understand the facts (copied from that Carpenter/Volokh brief I linked):

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In 2012, Respondent Craig and Mullins walked into Masterpiece Cakeshop and were looking through a photo album of owner Jack Phillips’s custom-designed cakes. Phillips sat down to greet them at a consultation table. According to Phillips’s own account, “the men said they wanted a wedding cake for ‘our wedding.’” Phillips replied that he does not “create wedding cakes for same-sex weddings.” Phillips then added, “I’ll make your birthday cakes, shower cakes, sell you cookies and brownies, I just don’t make cakes for same-sex weddings.” The couple got up and left, with no further discussion. The entire exchange lasted 20 seconds.


That's definitely discrimination against a protected class engaging in a legal activity, but in such a limited scope I could totally see a judge siding with the baker. (Allegedly the baker doesn't do Halloween cakes that depict gore for religious reasons as well.)

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Y'know, I don't think businesses should be able to discriminate, but this really just looks like some liberals looking for a problem where there wasn't one.


My first thought as well, but I haven't read anything to suggest the couple was acting in bad faith, and we are at a point where the SCOTUS could become very unfriendly to certain communities should Kennedy or Ginsberg retire during Trump's reign so maybe it's fight to have now.


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 Post subject: Re: The Supreme Court
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(Allegedly the baker doesn't do Halloween cakes that depict gore for religious reasons as well.)
A friend of mine in Denver says this baker turned down a request from his wife to make Harry Potter themed stuff, because witchcraft.


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 Post subject: Re: The Supreme Court
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Did the Alabama Special Election Increase the Odds of Justice Kennedy's Retirement?

http://reason.com/volokh/2017/12/13/did ... on-increas


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 Post subject: Re: The Supreme Court
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Did the Alabama Special Election Increase the Odds of Justice Kennedy's Retirement?

http://reason.com/volokh/2017/12/13/did ... on-increas


Hopefully Trump will identify a suitable judge that is suddenly moore available.


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Green Habit wrote:
Did the Alabama Special Election Increase the Odds of Justice Kennedy's Retirement?

http://reason.com/volokh/2017/12/13/did ... on-increas


Hopefully Trump will identify a suitable judge that is suddenly moore available.

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 Post subject: Re: The Supreme Court
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Did the Alabama Special Election Increase the Odds of Justice Kennedy's Retirement?

http://reason.com/volokh/2017/12/13/did ... on-increas

That's a pretty decent prediction although I would hope it'd be on the day he reads from his Gill v. Whitford / Benisek v. Lamone opinion ending partisan gerrymandering.

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 Post subject: Re: The Supreme Court
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Green Habit wrote:
Did the Alabama Special Election Increase the Odds of Justice Kennedy's Retirement?

http://reason.com/volokh/2017/12/13/did ... on-increas

That's a pretty decent prediction although I would hope it'd be on the day he reads from his Gill v. Whitford / Benisek v. Lamone opinion ending partisan gerrymandering.


Partisan gerrymandering? Not here in Maryland!

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I'm surprised they even dare to use the term in NC. The 4th and the 12th are just the natural flow of the state's population.

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 Post subject: Re: The Supreme Court
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Bi_3 wrote:
4/5 wrote:
Green Habit wrote:
Did the Alabama Special Election Increase the Odds of Justice Kennedy's Retirement?

http://reason.com/volokh/2017/12/13/did ... on-increas

That's a pretty decent prediction although I would hope it'd be on the day he reads from his Gill v. Whitford / Benisek v. Lamone opinion ending partisan gerrymandering.


Partisan gerrymandering? Not here in Maryland!

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The Court did just accept a case dealing with MD.


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 Post subject: Re: The Supreme Court
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Green Habit wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
4/5 wrote:
Green Habit wrote:
Did the Alabama Special Election Increase the Odds of Justice Kennedy's Retirement?

http://reason.com/volokh/2017/12/13/did ... on-increas

That's a pretty decent prediction although I would hope it'd be on the day he reads from his Gill v. Whitford / Benisek v. Lamone opinion ending partisan gerrymandering.


Partisan gerrymandering? Not here in Maryland!

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The Court did just accept a case dealing with MD.

I'm hoping that's to give them cover from accusations of partisanship if they were to strike down the Wisconsin map.

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