Or just kill their families, bury them in South Dakota, and then fly off to Hawaii.

Well I used to be of the opinion that we should take the "better safe than sorry" approach, and draw the line at conception to avoid the possibility of accidentally killing a child (and since we can't really do anything about killing eggs or sperm anyway, there is no reason to worry about them).

But this is basically just Pascal's Wager. And Pascal's Wager has a lot of problems. So that doesn't really work, unless there is a God and he cares what we do, which as far as I'm concerned, we can't know.

So do we leave the decision up to the individual (in this case, women only I guess?) That appeals to the libertarian in me, at least until it's pointed out that women have no special knowledge of when something is a person, and if it is a person, then they also have a right to live, and no one has the right of choosing to kill someone for their own benefit. So that doesn't really work either...

So, is the framework wrong? Should we get rid of the whole concept of "human"? Should I look to my own experience and say that a self becomes a self around 2 or 3? (I can't remember exactly. It's foggy.) That's assuming there are other selves and they are like me and I'm not just floating alone in the void...

Of course that would mean you could kill infants, too. Something a lot of cultures did before...

So uh, maybe just whatever the date is that the earliest foetus survived outside the womb, minus a few weeks just in case...

tldr I don't know.

thanks for being the adult in the room.

Was "shout your abortion" a fringe thing or did it get otherwise sane people to get onboard? Nutpicking is always a risk, but generally people on the right are better at explaining the actual views of people on the left than vice versa.

It's obviously hyperbole, but think about it for a second (trust me it won't hurt). Why is it that nearly 80% of American voters support access to abortion but it's not codified yet? Which candidate could someone vote for if they are pro-choice but against teaching anti-racism to kindergartners? Which candidate is pro-choice but against insanity like this? Which candidate would declare "defunding the police is a terrible idea" or "violent felons belong in jail"? Which candidate would stand up to the Biden admin's gender-affirming care directive? Which candidate would dare say that maybe our elite institutions should admit people based on merit and not their intersections?

These are all things that the general public fucking hates about the blue team. And so we must ask ourselves if in a month will voters really care about abortion over all of these other things (and that doesnt even include the economy). Because if they don't, something is gonna have to give in order to bring Roe back into law.

Spoiler: show

Let's try an answer other than "filibuster"

Yeah, someone send out the B signal and get this content moved.

Weird, when I click on that link it says Bari Weiss.

I really hated this post. I hated it so much I haven't forgotten about it in days.

Debating when life begins is the biggest waste of time. We already had ethical standards for abortion. It's not just about when life begins and saving life vs. killing life or whatever crop burt got into. it's about the choice to not bring unwanted babies into this world and the ethics surrounding. It's about giving women dignity. Fuck a dispassionate view on the subject. There is no such thing. Christians are scum.

You right wing apologists are ushering in a new wave of real evil and suffering into the world. This isn't a joke. This isn't a thought experiment. Wake the fuck up.

Any news yet of a pro-choice crypto network? Feels inevitable

You right wing apologists are ushering in a new wave of real evil and suffering into the world. This isn't a joke. This isn't a thought experiment. Wake the fuck up.

It's hard to take seriously the way you think. Actually for me it's impossible.

But yes, there is a huge populous movement in america which shares all your regressive beliefs, and doesn't want anti-racism, and doesn't want to defund the police, and doesn't want gender affirming care, and probably lot's of you don't even believe in abortion. Honestly, I am afraid you guys are going to win. Seems like support for this evil is only growing.