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elliseamos wrote:
Tomorrow is a big day.
Is there any chance Roberts just chickens out, makes no ruling and punts this down to the lower courts who'll be left to fight with Barr et al. for the next 5 months (assuming Biden wins).
I think the chance of that is high. That's what happened in the DACA case.
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The reverse ruling would make religious institutions that do anything other than ministerial activities untenable. I don't understand the complaint other than, "progressive activists should be able to infiltrate and use the skin of any religious organization they want as cover for future activism".
They got the Methodists, and most other mainline protestant orgs. The Catholics can't stay Catholic?
Your adjacency to Mormons must temper your view, as my adjacency to no organized religion of note tempers mine.
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verb_to_trust wrote:
Trump is going to win bigly tomorrow
Lol whoops! Not that it matters but
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its really tiresome to see these ¨good guys¨ talking about any political stuff in tv while also being kinda funny and hip and cool....its just...please enough of this shit.
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Still reading, but Alito's dissent looks to be ridiculously on fire, and it would be an embarrassing way for him to go out if he does indeed retire, even if it is fitting.
The reverse ruling would make religious institutions that do anything other than ministerial activities untenable. I don't understand the complaint other than, "progressive activists should be able to infiltrate and use the skin of any religious organization they want as cover for future activism".
They got the Methodists, and most other mainline protestant orgs. The Catholics can't stay Catholic?
Your adjacency to Mormons must temper your view, as my adjacency to no organized religion of note tempers mine.
I should note that I'm far angrier about the fucking contraceptives case, which is a arbitrarily patriarchal and vicious cutout to the law. I'm not categorically down on the ministerial exception, but I do worry that it's going to get too broad.
Here in Boise, there's roughly the same percentage each of irreligious, Catholics and Mormons, so I'm not sure which way I should temper there.
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Wow, I wasn't expecting them to return both cases back to the lower courts. It buys Trump time but both imply that the records will eventually have to be handed over.
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Biff Pocoroba wrote:
Wow, I wasn't expecting them to return both cases back to the lower courts. It buys Trump time but both imply that the records will eventually have to be handed over.
The key here is that they don't ultimately answer either way until after the election, reducing its salience on the campaign trail. It could heat up in either direction depending on if Trump loses or not.
Joined: Thu January 10, 2013 2:19 am Posts: 8888 Location: SOUTH PORTLAND
Green Habit wrote:
elliseamos wrote:
Tomorrow is a big day.
Is there any chance Roberts just chickens out, makes no ruling and punts this down to the lower courts who'll be left to fight with Barr et al. for the next 5 months (assuming Biden wins).
I think the chance of that is high. That's what happened in the DACA case.
Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 9:55 pm Posts: 13819 Location: An office full of assholes
It's hard to disagree with the reasoning of either case. Fundamentally, the central question of whether a sitting president can be investigated for crimes while still in office seems to be answered, and correctly. Likewise, whether a legislative branch without prosecutorial powers can legitimately subpoena documents that more than likely in no way advances legislation also seems to be correctly answered.
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Chris_H_2 wrote:
It's hard to disagree with the reasoning of either case. Fundamentally, the central question of whether a sitting president can be investigated for crimes while still in office seems to be answered, and correctly. Likewise, whether a legislative branch without prosecutorial powers can legitimately subpoena documents that more than likely in no way advances legislation also seems to be correctly answered.
If not through subpoena, how then does The House investigate/determine whether to bring impeachment charges?
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elliseamos wrote:
Chris_H_2 wrote:
It's hard to disagree with the reasoning of either case. Fundamentally, the central question of whether a sitting president can be investigated for crimes while still in office seems to be answered, and correctly. Likewise, whether a legislative branch without prosecutorial powers can legitimately subpoena documents that more than likely in no way advances legislation also seems to be correctly answered.
If not through subpoena, how then does The House investigate/determine whether to bring impeachment charges?
I'm not sure it can, at least insofar as it concerns the executive branch. Impeachment is 100% a political exercise. And despite the "high crimes and misdemeanors" standard, there is nothing inherently criminal about it. In the political vein, if the House issues a subpoena to the President and she or he refuses to comply, then the answer may be that that refusal can (and indeed should) be considered in deciding whether to bring articles of impeachment.
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