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 Post subject: Brazillian Riot
PostPosted: Mon June 17, 2013 4:46 pm 
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Its probably not known for those who aren't living here in Brazil, about the situation that my country is living, where we nicknamed it "Vinegar Uprising".

I'm not trying to make a nice text, since I'm not a journalist nor like to write stuff, but our situation is at the brink of a civil war. Yes, it is that bad.

We, citizens of São Paulo, are suffering from a masked government, who rapes the population with every year higher taxes, bus passages, low salary for teachers, low investment on health and security, high investment on the FIFA World Cup (As Brazil is the soccer country,m why invest on health, education and security, right?) and all kind of ways that they can take our money, besides all of the facts of corruption, huge political scandals that were masked by the media, so the people wouldn't (presumably) follow.

What happened? The governor Geraldo Alckimin decided to raise the bus taxes(3,00 to 3,20), and that was the brink.

The people started to do marches against all the stuff that has been trowed at us, all the lies that has been told to us, and we, the people, are fucking tired of it.

The act of the police in the marches are of absolute and unnecessary violence and abuse of power, shooting at the press, shooting at old people that aren't even participating on the marches, trowing smoke bombs at peacefully protesters, witch keep screaming "No Violence".

Yes, we scream "No Violence", and they shoot at us.

People filming form the seventh floor of their apartment, got freely shoot for absolutely no reason. People are getting arrested for the reason of being there.

This is half of the situation that Brazil is living on today.
We are getting some support, especially from celebrities like Tom Morello


Police shooting the press:


Arresting a journalist for vinegar porting.


Getting shot by screaming "no violence"

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 Post subject: Re: Brazillian "Vinegar Uprising"
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For everybody that doesn't speak portuguese:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIBYEXLGdSg

PLEASE, Watch this, PLEASE, help us, do some noise!

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 Post subject: Re: Brazillian Riot
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 Post subject: Re: Brazillian Riot
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 Post subject: Re: Brazillian Riot
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There's risk of civil war because of an increase in the price of bus passes?

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 Post subject: Re: Brazillian Riot
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There's risk of civil war because of an increase in the price of bus passes?

Probably not.


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Meh.


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 Post subject: Re: Brazillian Riot
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theplatypus wrote:
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There's risk of civil war because of an increase in the price of bus passes?

Probably not.

No, the raise was just the tip of the Iceberg.

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 Post subject: Re: Brazillian Riot
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 Post subject: Re: Brazillian Riot
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Huh - I was just reading about this on one of our local news sites...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/8810013/Protests-in-Brazil-as-discontent-spreads

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I'm getting proud, guys.

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 Post subject: Re: Brazillian Riot
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The thing that bothers me is that in the end they are asking for more government, "wiser" rulers, supporing any state intervection that promises what they want to hear, and those things will only make things worse.


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Although Im glad people realize that the world cup is a big waste of money.


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 Post subject: Re: Brazillian Riot
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Human Bass wrote:
The thing that bothers me is that in the end they are asking for more government, "wiser" rulers, supporing any state intervection that promises what they want to hear, and those things will only make things worse.

What do you mean?

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KurtLeon wrote:
Human Bass wrote:
The thing that bothers me is that in the end they are asking for more government, "wiser" rulers, supporing any state intervection that promises what they want to hear, and those things will only make things worse.

What do you mean?


Very few realize that any product/service to be good needs competition, free market. The current model of officialized cartels by licitations is extremely limited and rigged. You know you are forbidden to charge someone for a ride or to operate a competing bus company in your city.

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It's like when Recife only had Velox and the service was awful. I knew that complaining to Anatel would be pretty much useless, and that the arrival of GVT would make things far better since now I could do the most effective kind of protest, the one with my wallet.


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Human Bass wrote:
KurtLeon wrote:
Human Bass wrote:
The thing that bothers me is that in the end they are asking for more government, "wiser" rulers, supporing any state intervection that promises what they want to hear, and those things will only make things worse.

What do you mean?


Very few realize that any product/service to be good needs competition, free market. The current model of officialized cartels by licitations is extremely limited and rigged. You know you are forbidden to charge someone for a ride or to operate a competing bus company in your city.

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It's like when Recife only had Velox and the service was awful. I knew that complaining to Anatel would be pretty much useless, and that the arrival of GVT would make things far better since now I could do the most effective kind of protest, the one with my wallet.

No man, we're not protesting only about the bus taxes anymore, its about the way the government has leading our country, for an example, they invest billions to build a soccer stadium, while there are sick people on the hospital floor because they have no litter to stay on.

The taxes was just a reason to start everything.

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Anyhow, I'll be on todays protest. Wish me luck, I don't want to be shot with rubber bullet or get some tear gas today!

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 Post subject: Re: Brazillian Riot
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Protesting against corruption is sort of like going to war on terror. I think it works better when goals are more specific.

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 Post subject: Re: Brazillian Riot
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For the poor and the disabled, bus fares are a pretty big fucking deal. Especially in a country that has a huge income gap like Brazil. Don't trivialize it like it's nothing.


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 Post subject: Re: Brazillian Riot
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For the poor and the disabled, bus fares are a pretty big fucking deal. Especially in a country that has a huge income gap like Brazil. Don't trivialize it like it's nothing.



They could just drive themselves you know, they're just too cheap to pay for gas.

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