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Post subject: Re: The 46th POTUS - Michael R. Pence
Posted: Thu October 03, 2019 2:23 pm
Major Dude
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For Pence (and Barr for that matter) to go down with the ship, the House will have to separately impeach both of them. Hopefully, there’s enough damning evidence for them to do that and they act upon it.
Post subject: Re: The 46th POTUS - Michael R. Pence
Posted: Thu October 03, 2019 2:45 pm
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Green Habit wrote:
There also may be a good chance that Trump dumps Pence for a different VP for the 2020 election.
But Mike will still be the vice president when it all goes down. If impeachment and removal begin to look likely, Mike Pence’s signature will be on Donald Trump’s pardon.
Post subject: Re: The 46th POTUS - Michael R. Pence
Posted: Thu October 03, 2019 3:03 pm
Major Dude
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McParadigm wrote:
Green Habit wrote:
There also may be a good chance that Trump dumps Pence for a different VP for the 2020 election.
But Mike will still be the vice president when it all goes down. If impeachment and removal begin to look likely, Mike Pence’s signature will be on Donald Trump’s pardon.
I thought there was no pardoning impeached offenses. Isn’t that like the one thing that can’t be pardoned?
Post subject: Re: The 46th POTUS - Michael R. Pence
Posted: Thu October 03, 2019 3:44 pm
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Jesus, the first thing I saw this morning was this thread and I went off to the news expecting something huge but no, it's just a thread placeholder. man. what a rollercoaster of emotions.
Post subject: Re: The 46th POTUS - Michael R. Pence
Posted: Thu October 03, 2019 3:57 pm
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wease wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
Green Habit wrote:
There also may be a good chance that Trump dumps Pence for a different VP for the 2020 election.
But Mike will still be the vice president when it all goes down. If impeachment and removal begin to look likely, Mike Pence’s signature will be on Donald Trump’s pardon.
I thought there was no pardoning impeached offenses. Isn’t that like the one thing that can’t be pardoned?
See red section. I suspect (if it doesn’t get better for him soon, and seeing as how he just admitted to it all in public...I don’t know how it would) that Senate Republicans will offer him a resignation/pardon out, with the understanding that if he does not take it, enough of them are prepared to remove him for Democrats to succeed. I also believe that Democrats would 100% accept a resignation/pardon scenario.
Post subject: Re: The 46th POTUS - Michael R. Pence
Posted: Thu October 03, 2019 5:57 pm
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Presidential pardons apply only to federal crimes, right? If so, then, say, the New York AG could get feisty and bring charges against Trump, and a federal pardon might not mollify Trump enough.
Post subject: Re: The 46th POTUS - Michael R. Pence
Posted: Thu October 03, 2019 6:01 pm
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Green Habit wrote:
Presidential pardons apply only to federal crimes, right?
Yes this is my understanding from the Mueller debacle
Green Habit wrote:
If so, then, say, the New York AG could get feisty and bring charges against Trump, and a federal pardon might not mollify Trump enough.
I'm no legal expert, but I'd imagine that for state charges to stick relative to the Ukraine story, the State would have to prove an attempt at elections tampering instigated by Trump's requests of Ukraine or China. Which is certainly possible, since we had a Ukrainian attempt during the 2018 election here in MT.
Post subject: Re: The 46th POTUS - Michael R. Pence
Posted: Thu October 03, 2019 6:22 pm
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Post subject: Re: The 46th POTUS - Michael R. Pence
Posted: Thu October 03, 2019 7:01 pm
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Jammer XCI wrote:
Pence would be the lamest duck of all time.
He’s already a Mother fucker
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Post subject: Re: The 46th POTUS - Michael R. Pence
Posted: Thu October 03, 2019 8:15 pm
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tragabigzanda wrote:
I'm no legal expert, but I'd imagine that for state charges to stick relative to the Ukraine story, the State would have to prove an attempt at elections tampering instigated by Trump's requests of Ukraine or China. Which is certainly possible, since we had a Ukrainian attempt during the 2018 election here in MT.
I'm not talking about just that scandal, but any crimes Trump may have committed. Being president gives him a sort of shield from state action for now.
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