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PHATJ wrote:
I have no idea what “white grievance politics” even is.
Have you ever heard people insist that African Americans stop complaining because slavery ended years ago and none of us were alive then? Have you ever seen one of those memes that says, "THERE WERE MORE IRISH SLAVES THAN BLACK SLAVES AND THEY DON'T COMPLAIN"? Or heard people discussing how the whites are becoming a minority in the country and are being left behind? Or that their history is being erased? Those are examples of white grievance politics.
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Let me also say that it fairly obvious the greater good that MLK did for the human race outweighs much of this in my mind, maybe all of it. Though if the rape allegation is true it’s hard not to be disturbed by that. And my reason for starting this thread was to discuss that conundrum. He was obviously a tremendous figure in American history. His positive influence on our history rivals nearly anyone. That doesn’t change. However, if he’s also proven to be a rapist do we stop celebrating him like we have several other historical figures? I’m not saying we should, I’m wondering what other opinions are on that.
Let me also say that it fairly obvious the greater good that MLK did for the human race outweighs much of this in my mind, maybe all of it. Though if the rape allegation is true it’s hard not to be disturbed by that. And my reason for starting this thread was to discuss that conundrum. He was obviously a tremendous figure in American history. His positive influence on our history rivals nearly anyone. That doesn’t change. However, if he’s also proven to be a rapist do we stop celebrating him like we have several other historical figures? I’m not saying we should, I’m wondering what other opinions are on that.
Maybe I should re read the article. So correct me if I’m wrong. But was he actually raping or witness to?
Both are bad.
And also is there actual audio evidence ? Don’t forget the Government was doing everything in its power to to take him down.
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Simple Torture wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
I have no idea what “white grievance politics” even is.
Have you ever heard people insist that African Americans stop complaining because slavery ended years ago and none of us were alive then? Have you ever seen one of those memes that says, "THERE WERE MORE IRISH SLAVES THAN BLACK SLAVES AND THEY DON'T COMPLAIN"? Or heard people discussing how the whites are becoming a minority in the country and are being left behind? Or that their history is being erased? Those are examples of white grievance politics.
I’ve heard of those things. I don’t really play those games. But I do think that we selectively choose our outrages as a society based on group think and intellectual dishonesty at times. I’m not specifically saying that about the things you gave as examples, but I’m certain that sheepish behavior and an inability to critically think (especially about long term consequences of emotional decisions) and the “me-first” mentality have hurt the positive progression of society and have harmed race relations. Both sides are guilty of this.
I don't see how any rape or accessory to rape could be proven to me beyond a reasonable doubt. That, combined with the well known attempts by the government at the time to ruin him and I I can just disregard this completely.
Trying to take apart MLKs legacy seems like exactly the type of thing the current conservative movement in our country would be interested in doing and I refuse to play that game.
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Strat wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
Let me also say that it fairly obvious the greater good that MLK did for the human race outweighs much of this in my mind, maybe all of it. Though if the rape allegation is true it’s hard not to be disturbed by that. And my reason for starting this thread was to discuss that conundrum. He was obviously a tremendous figure in American history. His positive influence on our history rivals nearly anyone. That doesn’t change. However, if he’s also proven to be a rapist do we stop celebrating him like we have several other historical figures? I’m not saying we should, I’m wondering what other opinions are on that.
Maybe I should re read the article. So correct me if I’m wrong. But was he actually raping or witness to?
Both are bad.
And also is there actual audio evidence ? Don’t forget the Government was doing everything in its power to to take him down.
Extra marital affairs? Zzz’s. Don’t care.
The discussion is worthy but check your hypocrisy
The allegation is that he witnessed, encouraged, and laughed at a rape in progress.
I don’t care about the affairs either, that’s why I never mentioned it.
I understand the government was trying to “take him down” and taking all of this with a healthy critical eye is appropriate. I also believe the Pulitzer Prize winning author that wrote the article has spent his entire career researching MLK and probably wouldn’t just silly billy throw these kinds of allegations out there if he personally wasn’t convinced there was potentially truth there.
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verb_to_trust wrote:
I don't see how any rape or accessory to rape could be proven to me beyond a reasonable doubt. That, combined with the well known attempts by the government at the time to ruin him and I I can just disregard this completely.
Trying to take apart MLKs legacy seems like exactly the type of thing the current conservative movement in our country would be interested in doing and I refuse to play that game.
Trying to cover up a potential rape is way easier emotionally, your right. Just like blaming Trump for everything is now.
This isn’t even a political issue! It’s a human interest and historical issue. Again, not everything is about Trump. Jesus.
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