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Author:  Green Habit [ Thu February 21, 2019 3:34 pm ]
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meatwad wrote:
Green Habit wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
I really hate the term progressive. It doesn't suggest a set of beliefs. At best it sounds like marketing slogan designed to cast everyone else as anti-progress (even a luddite is for a form of progress). The beliefs seem as cobbled together as those of the conservatives, and both seem to change with the wind.

Both are pretty terrible labels, but I guess these are the teams most of America are stuck with. It all just sounds so incoherent and arbitrary, until I remember that this is mostly just tribal partisanship.

The good news at least is that the label "liberal" is possibly being freed up for actual liberals again. Real socialists will happily admit they are as anti-liberal as the far right.
I agree with most of this, especially the part I bolded, though I'd say that that would be closer to "at worst" than "at best". And as you say, this viewpoint can also contain illiberal views within it that makes "liberal" not entirely accurate either. I'd like to just call them left wing, but the rise of the socialist left is complicating that term too. Ugh, the English language can be a pain in the ass at times.
Is language the problem? Or is it humans’ need to put people, things, and ideas into neat little boxes with labels on them?
:thumbsup:
Author:  epilogue [ Thu February 21, 2019 3:55 pm ]
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meatwad wrote:
Green Habit wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
I really hate the term progressive. It doesn't suggest a set of beliefs. At best it sounds like marketing slogan designed to cast everyone else as anti-progress (even a luddite is for a form of progress). The beliefs seem as cobbled together as those of the conservatives, and both seem to change with the wind.

Both are pretty terrible labels, but I guess these are the teams most of America are stuck with. It all just sounds so incoherent and arbitrary, until I remember that this is mostly just tribal partisanship.

The good news at least is that the label "liberal" is possibly being freed up for actual liberals again. Real socialists will happily admit they are as anti-liberal as the far right.
I agree with most of this, especially the part I bolded, though I'd say that that would be closer to "at worst" than "at best". And as you say, this viewpoint can also contain illiberal views within it that makes "liberal" not entirely accurate either. I'd like to just call them left wing, but the rise of the socialist left is complicating that term too. Ugh, the English language can be a pain in the ass at times.


Is language the problem? Or is it humans’ need to put people, things, and ideas into neat little boxes with labels on them?

aw huh
Author:  Strat [ Thu February 21, 2019 5:20 pm ]
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I've never felt closer to Burt than I do right now.
Author:  bune [ Thu February 21, 2019 7:26 pm ]
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BurtReynolds wrote:
Lately I think most problems are language problems

And education, to a degree. (no pun intended)
Author:  Peeps [ Fri February 22, 2019 11:56 am ]
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Author:  Bi_3 [ Mon March 04, 2019 11:08 pm ]
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http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/socialism-and-young-socialists.html

Quote:
The word socialism has become a kind of blank canvas on which young leftists project their political desires. The reason to call it socialism, the lefty journalist Kate Aronoff has said, is because people are calling it socialism. At least in Brooklyn, and the spiritual Brooklyns of America, calling yourself a socialist sounds sexier than anything else out there, without necessarily advocating anything too risky.


:haha:
Author:  McParadigm [ Mon March 04, 2019 11:25 pm ]
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Republicans sure fucked up by gesticulating and screaming for decades about how an endless series of popular ideas related to healthcare, food stamps, social security, and wealth taxes were all socialism. It was a quick win in the moment, but they systematically destroyed both the public understanding and the negative connotations of the word.

Remember when a subset of conservative media accused JOHN BOEHNER of being socialist? Ahh. We’ve had such good times together.
Author:  McParadigm [ Thu March 07, 2019 5:46 pm ]
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McParadigm wrote:
Republicans sure fucked up by gesticulating and screaming for decades about how an endless series of popular ideas related to healthcare, food stamps, social security, and wealth taxes were all socialism. It was a quick win in the moment, but they systematically destroyed both the public understanding and the negative connotations of the word.

Remember when a subset of conservative media accused JOHN BOEHNER of being socialist? Ahh. We’ve had such good times together.


lol
Author:  McParadigm [ Mon March 11, 2019 2:04 am ]
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McParadigm wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
Republicans sure fucked up by gesticulating and screaming for decades about how an endless series of popular ideas related to healthcare, food stamps, social security, and wealth taxes were all socialism. It was a quick win in the moment, but they systematically destroyed both the public understanding and the negative connotations of the word.

Remember when a subset of conservative media accused JOHN BOEHNER of being socialist? Ahh. We’ve had such good times together.


lol

lol
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Author:  simple schoolboy [ Mon March 11, 2019 4:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: ITT: We hate on Progressives
McParadigm wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
Republicans sure fucked up by gesticulating and screaming for decades about how an endless series of popular ideas related to healthcare, food stamps, social security, and wealth taxes were all socialism. It was a quick win in the moment, but they systematically destroyed both the public understanding and the negative connotations of the word.

Remember when a subset of conservative media accused JOHN BOEHNER of being socialist? Ahh. We’ve had such good times together.


lol

lol
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Stopped by a fast food joint in the Central Valley today. They still have plastic straws. This is what real America looks like.

It was in one of the nicer parts, that don't have feedlots. I hope to move there when climate change eats up the coast through sea level rise.
Author:  BurtReynolds [ Mon March 11, 2019 4:40 am ]
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simple schoolboy wrote:

Stopped by a fast food joint in the Central Valley today. They still have plastic straws. This is what real America looks like.

It was in one of the nicer parts, that don't have feedlots. I hope to move there when climate change eats up the coast through sea level rise.

Move up to the future free state of Jefferson. I think I'll migrate down there. We can drink wine, shoot guns, and laugh about the progressive folly of the high speed rail.
Author:  McParadigm [ Mon March 11, 2019 6:12 pm ]
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McParadigm wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
Republicans sure fucked up by gesticulating and screaming for decades about how an endless series of popular ideas related to healthcare, food stamps, social security, and wealth taxes were all socialism. It was a quick win in the moment, but they systematically destroyed both the public understanding and the negative connotations of the word.

Remember when a subset of conservative media accused JOHN BOEHNER of being socialist? Ahh. We’ve had such good times together.


lol

lol
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The Wisconsin GOP Director attacks his own state’s largest city, home to 1/4 of all voters in the state (also still lol)
Author:  Bi_3 [ Mon March 11, 2019 8:33 pm ]
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BurtReynolds wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:

Stopped by a fast food joint in the Central Valley today. They still have plastic straws. This is what real America looks like.

It was in one of the nicer parts, that don't have feedlots. I hope to move there when climate change eats up the coast through sea level rise.

Move up to the future free state of Jefferson. I think I'll migrate down there. We can drink wine, shoot guns, and laugh about the progressive folly of the high speed rail.



You’d probably get a lot more support from progressives if you named it the free state of... wait for it... Hamilton
Author:  Bi_3 [ Wed May 08, 2019 12:56 am ]
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Another very progressive moment:

https://www.city-journal.org/seattle-elites-homeless-crime
Author:  McParadigm [ Mon June 17, 2019 6:22 pm ]
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McParadigm wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
Republicans sure fucked up by gesticulating and screaming for decades about how an endless series of popular ideas related to healthcare, food stamps, social security, and wealth taxes were all socialism. It was a quick win in the moment, but they systematically destroyed both the public understanding and the negative connotations of the word.

Remember when a subset of conservative media accused JOHN BOEHNER of being socialist? Ahh. We’ve had such good times together.


lol

lol
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Mitch out there this morning calling DC and Puerto Rico statehood “full blown socialism”
Author:  washing machine [ Mon June 17, 2019 6:37 pm ]
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Talking to myself about the Houston Castros
Author:  Bi_3 [ Mon June 17, 2019 7:37 pm ]
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McParadigm wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
Republicans sure fucked up by gesticulating and screaming for decades about how an endless series of popular ideas related to healthcare, food stamps, social security, and wealth taxes were all socialism. It was a quick win in the moment, but they systematically destroyed both the public understanding and the negative connotations of the word.

Remember when a subset of conservative media accused JOHN BOEHNER of being socialist? Ahh. We’ve had such good times together.


lol

lol
Image

Mitch out there this morning calling DC and Puerto Rico statehood “full blown socialism”


DC should just go back to Maryland, as God intended.
Author:  Mickey [ Mon June 17, 2019 7:38 pm ]
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washing machine wrote:
Talking to myself about the Houston Castros


Julián Castro is from San Antonio, bub.
Author:  McParadigm [ Mon June 17, 2019 7:41 pm ]
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Bi_3 wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
Republicans sure fucked up by gesticulating and screaming for decades about how an endless series of popular ideas related to healthcare, food stamps, social security, and wealth taxes were all socialism. It was a quick win in the moment, but they systematically destroyed both the public understanding and the negative connotations of the word.

Remember when a subset of conservative media accused JOHN BOEHNER of being socialist? Ahh. We’ve had such good times together.


lol

lol
Image

Mitch out there this morning calling DC and Puerto Rico statehood “full blown socialism”


DC should just go back to Maryland, as God intended.

And Kentucky to Virginia.
Author:  Bi_3 [ Mon June 17, 2019 11:12 pm ]
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People in Arlington and Fairfax consider the rest of VA to be Kentucky anyway...
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