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I take Burt's point--or what is perhaps a more developed articulation of a good faith reading of Burt's point--that treating woman as a rarefied and unimpeachable category simply reverses the logic of sexism without addressing the problematic othering at the root of sexism itself. But I don't think that necessarily applies to Joey's defense of AOC here (or his behavior more broadly), as her prominence within the conservative media ecosystem is probably not unrelated to her gender. I mean yes we should think critically about a certain type of yes slay queen discourse (especially as this aligns with Kamala-style neoliberalism). But we should also think about why this one-term congressperson has a 17 page thread devoted to her (metonymic as this is of other things) when Bernie as multiple-term Senator never attracted this much attention per comment.
I think that pretty much speaks for itself. But more broadly, I fail to grasp the defense here; would anyone honestly try to argue that the right wing's antipathy for AOC is solely due to her politics?
How am I mischaracterising you? Where do you disagree with how you treat women? We've talked about this before and you apparently think that it's wrong for a man to ever criticize a woman. Is that wrong?
I've already responded to this but since you posted it again, I'll assume you didn't listen (shocking).
It's a complete mischaracterization. None of it is factual or accurate. It's just more of you revealing yourself.
For example, I also post my support and encouragement of other marginalized communities (artists, politicians, etc, therein) like the LGBTQ+ community, and community, and people of color.
Yet, those posts never seem to attract your wrath and attention like my posts about women do. Why is that? Do you think? I have my own answer but I'd love to hear yours.
I like it better when you snap. At least that's a normal human reaction
I feel like I'd be remiss if I didn't point out the irony of this post given the context here. Like, did you set out to make a point above toxic masculinity for me?
Anyway, there's a better way to have a conversation, my friend. Let's leave this kind unhelpful shit out of it.
I'll offer up a good faith discussion one last time. You in?
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You're so repressed. This is why you snap at people, dude. Say what you mean to say.
I would prefer "my brutal truths vs your passive aggression" over "a good faith talk" (whatever your definition of a good faith talk is.) I don't think I can stand a conversation without you constantly feigning injury to everything.
Anyway, I'm glad your answer is (apparently?) "no" to my last two questions. You don't in fact think that its wrong to criticize women. That's good. Like I said before I think you managed to say something negative about a actress once (though I can't find the thread so maybe I dreamt it.) Nonetheless, I'll take your word for it. It's a baseline. We can build from there.
durdencommatyler wrote:
For example, I also post my support and encouragement of other marginalized communities (artists, politicians, etc, therein) like the LGBTQ+ community, and community, and people of color. .
I'm aware of your (less frequent) condescension towards those groups as well, but it doesn't seem to take on the pathological quality of your weird need to prop up the womenz.
Pretty much exactly the response I expected. Though, you may want to edit the part where you almost give me credit and admit you could be wrong. That certainly wasn't intentional, right?
But I'm not surprised you attacked me again before said credit. That's the Burt I know and recognize. Too bad we're can't have a real conversation about this. Don't say I didn't try.
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BurtReynolds wrote:
digster wrote:
Mickey wrote:
I take Burt's point--or what is perhaps a more developed articulation of a good faith reading of Burt's point--that treating woman as a rarefied and unimpeachable category simply reverses the logic of sexism without addressing the problematic othering at the root of sexism itself. But I don't think that necessarily applies to Joey's defense of AOC here (or his behavior more broadly), as her prominence within the conservative media ecosystem is probably not unrelated to her gender. I mean yes we should think critically about a certain type of yes slay queen discourse (especially as this aligns with Kamala-style neoliberalism). But we should also think about why this one-term congressperson has a 17 page thread devoted to her (metonymic as this is of other things) when Bernie as multiple-term Senator never attracted this much attention per comment.
I think that pretty much speaks for itself. But more broadly, I fail to grasp the defense here; would anyone honestly try to argue that the right wing's antipathy for AOC is solely due to her politics?
Why wouldn't it be? She's antithetical to Republicans. The rest is just baseless assertion. You're really overthinking this. Like Trump, she's a cartoon character, and like him, being loud and populist gets attention far beyond what's called for. Like all the outrage over Trump tweets ultimately gives Trump more power, every post mocking her stupidity in this thread probably does the same for her. But I don't care. It's fun anyway.
Bernie doesn't ramble on in a stream of consciousness when he talks. He's comparatively boring. Of course he's a lot more important, but that ain't what sells.
Bernie doesn't what now??
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VinylGuy wrote:
its really tiresome to see these ¨good guys¨ talking about any political stuff in tv while also being kinda funny and hip and cool....its just...please enough of this shit.
I take Burt's point--or what is perhaps a more developed articulation of a good faith reading of Burt's point--that treating woman as a rarefied and unimpeachable category simply reverses the logic of sexism without addressing the problematic othering at the root of sexism itself. But I don't think that necessarily applies to Joey's defense of AOC here (or his behavior more broadly), as her prominence within the conservative media ecosystem is probably not unrelated to her gender. I mean yes we should think critically about a certain type of yes slay queen discourse (especially as this aligns with Kamala-style neoliberalism). But we should also think about why this one-term congressperson has a 17 page thread devoted to her (metonymic as this is of other things) when Bernie as multiple-term Senator never attracted this much attention per comment.
I think that pretty much speaks for itself. But more broadly, I fail to grasp the defense here; would anyone honestly try to argue that the right wing's antipathy for AOC is solely due to her politics?
Why wouldn't it be? She's antithetical to Republicans. The rest is just baseless assertion. You're really overthinking this. Like Trump, she's a cartoon character, and like him, being loud and populist gets attention far beyond what's called for. Like all the outrage over Trump tweets ultimately gives Trump more power, every post mocking her stupidity in this thread probably does the same for her. But I don't care. It's fun anyway.
Bernie doesn't ramble on in a stream of consciousness when he talks. He's comparatively boring. Of course he's a lot more important, but that ain't what sells.
Bernie doesn't what now??
Ignore him. He is obviously trolling and has no idea what he's doing here.
An enigma of a man shaped hole in the wall between reality and the soul of the devil.
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Has anyone listened to AOC's streams? It's like a 4 year old trying to tell you the plot of the movie she just watched. It just goes on and on without any point or direction.
Bernie seems positively organized in comparison. Admittedly, I'm not a Bernie expert. His voice is hard to take.
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Are you legitimately comparing aoc's 2018 "I'm using my instant pot" videos to Bernie's senate floor speeches? Yikes
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VinylGuy wrote:
its really tiresome to see these ¨good guys¨ talking about any political stuff in tv while also being kinda funny and hip and cool....its just...please enough of this shit.
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