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 Post subject: The Trolley Problem
PostPosted: Fri March 01, 2019 10:36 pm 
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Please answer to the best of your ability. You will be graded.

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You see a runaway trolley moving toward five tied-up (or otherwise incapacitated) people lying on the tracks. You are standing next to a lever that controls a switch. If you pull the lever, the trolley will be redirected onto a side track, and the five people on the main track will be saved. However, there is a single person lying on the side track. You have two options:

1. Do nothing and allow the trolley to kill the five people on the main track.

2. Pull the lever, diverting the trolley onto the side track where it will kill one person.

Which is the more ethical option?

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 Post subject: Re: The Trolley Problem
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Let Ted Danson decide.

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 Post subject: Re: The Trolley Problem
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wease wrote:
Let Ted Danson decide.

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 Post subject: Re: The Trolley Problem
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Let Ted Danson decide.

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 Post subject: Re: The Trolley Problem
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I hate these types of fabricated dilemmas. This is the kind of thing that gets me itching to rant about the problems with the "effective altruism" movement.


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 Post subject: Re: The Trolley Problem
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how fast is the trolley going? do I have enough time to get the one person of the track after pulling the lever?


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 Post subject: Re: The Trolley Problem
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Strat wrote:
how fast is the trolley going? do I have enough time to get the one person of the track after pulling the lever?

No.

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 Post subject: Re: The Trolley Problem
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Well the answer is then remove my hand from the lever, and shoot any witnesses on site.


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 Post subject: Re: The Trolley Problem
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I wrestle with this one a lot


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 Post subject: Re: The Trolley Problem
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Extract iPhone from left front pocket

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No not photos I want camera

Switch to video

Not fucking pano

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Hit recor- ahh fuck missed it

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 Post subject: Re: The Trolley Problem
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McParadigm wrote:
Extract iPhone from left front pocket

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No not photos I want camera

Switch to video

Not fucking pano

Video

Hit recor- ahh fuck missed it

Gen X post. A millennial would have his/her/their/its/whatever shit together.


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 Post subject: Re: The Trolley Problem
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So what's the argument for letting the four people die? Just that you aren't making a conscious decision to kill them?

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 Post subject: Re: The Trolley Problem
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JuanHamm wrote:
So what's the argument for letting the four people die? Just that you aren't making a conscious decision to kill them?

I believe they are all immigrants

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 Post subject: Re: The Trolley Problem
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McParadigm wrote:
JuanHamm wrote:
So what's the argument for letting the four people die? Just that you aren't making a conscious decision to kill them?

I believe they are all immigrants


I still need more information. What if they're European immigrants? Or Canadian?

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 Post subject: Re: The Trolley Problem
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Let the train kill the five, then pull the lever so the next train kills the other one.

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 Post subject: Re: The Trolley Problem
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JuanHamm wrote:
So what's the argument for letting the four people die? Just that you aren't making a conscious decision to kill them?

I think the Transplant problem makes it trickier:

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Here is an alternative case, due to Judith Jarvis Thomson,[3] containing similar numbers and results, but without a trolley:

A brilliant transplant surgeon has five patients, each in need of a different organ, each of whom will die without that organ. Unfortunately, there are no organs available to perform any of these five transplant operations. A healthy young traveler, just passing through the city the doctor works in, comes in for a routine checkup. In the course of doing the checkup, the doctor discovers that his organs are compatible with all five of his dying patients. Suppose further that if the young man were to disappear, no one would suspect the doctor. Do you support the morality of the doctor to kill that tourist and provide his healthy organs to those five dying persons and save their lives?

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 Post subject: Re: The Trolley Problem
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BurtReynolds wrote:
JuanHamm wrote:
So what's the argument for letting the four people die? Just that you aren't making a conscious decision to kill them?

I think the Transplant problem makes it trickier:

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Here is an alternative case, due to Judith Jarvis Thomson,[3] containing similar numbers and results, but without a trolley:

A brilliant transplant surgeon has five patients, each in need of a different organ, each of whom will die without that organ. Unfortunately, there are no organs available to perform any of these five transplant operations. A healthy young traveler, just passing through the city the doctor works in, comes in for a routine checkup. In the course of doing the checkup, the doctor discovers that his organs are compatible with all five of his dying patients. Suppose further that if the young man were to disappear, no one would suspect the doctor. Do you support the morality of the doctor to kill that tourist and provide his healthy organs to those five dying persons and save their lives?

This is a very different situation

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 Post subject: Re: The Trolley Problem
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or is it?

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 Post subject: Re: The Trolley Problem
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Yep

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 Post subject: Re: The Trolley Problem
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is it really though?

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