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 Post subject: Universal Basic Income of $1,000/Month
PostPosted: Thu June 21, 2018 4:51 pm 
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"We are going through the greatest technological and economic shift in human history and we need to get our heads out of our asses and start trying to tackle and address it. There's a freaking elephant in the middle of the room tearing everything apart and everyone's pretending like it's not there. ... We actually can solve these problems and we can build a better society for ourselves that involves valuing ourselves and our time in a way that's independent of the market." - Andrew Yang on Waking Up with Sam Harris. He's running for president in 2020.


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 Post subject: Re: Universal Basic Income of $1,000/mo
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Never going to happen. You've seen the people who vote against themselves to make sure that "the other" doesn't get a leg up on them, so what makes you think this will be any different?


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 Post subject: Re: Universal Basic Income of $1,000/mo
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Never going to happen. You've seen the people who vote against themselves to make sure that "the other" doesn't get a leg up on them, so what makes you think this will be any different?
Gotta have hope. It's a very reasonable solution to many problems.

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 Post subject: Re: Universal Basic Income of $1,000/Month
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How will people get rich?

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 Post subject: Re: Universal Basic Income of $1,000/Month
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I feel like we're gonna need some incredible computing/organizational power to ever make this happen, and it will probably still end in disaster.

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 Post subject: Re: Universal Basic Income of $1,000/Month
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But why not just make it $2000 instead?

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 Post subject: Re: Universal Basic Income of $1,000/Month
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Where does that much money even come from?

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Listen to the podcast. He explains it all.

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Where does that much money even come from?

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Listen to the podcast. He explains it all.


I’m tired of sams voice. Can you sum it up? Every time I heard this explained it just seems like very macro 101 stuff like a transaction tax and merging existing benefit peograms. I am pretty skeptical.

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 Post subject: Re: Universal Basic Income of $1,000/Month
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tree_ wrote:
Listen to the podcast. He explains it all.


I’m tired of sams voice. Can you sum it up? Every time I heard this explained it just seems like very macro 101 stuff like a transaction tax and merging existing benefit peograms. I am pretty skeptical.
I will tomorrow. It's good stuff.

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 Post subject: Re: Universal Basic Income of $1,000/Month
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Bi_3 wrote:
Where does that much money even come from?

amway sales

It's Confederated Products!

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 Post subject: Re: Universal Basic Income of $1,000/Month
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tree_ wrote:
Listen to the podcast. He explains it all.


I’m tired of sams voice. Can you sum it up? Every time I heard this explained it just seems like very macro 101 stuff like a transaction tax and merging existing benefit peograms. I am pretty skeptical.
I will tomorrow. It's good stuff.
I just realized you can look Andrew yang and his plan up online. Do that instead of having me explain. Thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: Universal Basic Income of $1,000/Month
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I’m tired of sams voice.

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 Post subject: Re: Universal Basic Income of $1,000/Month
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He seems light on details. And he can pretend it's not socialism all he wants. It definitely is, especially his social currency idea. You have to address those problems. "Hey we'll just raise taxes! Easy fix!"

The thousand dollar figure doesn't make sense. It will still incentivize work because it won't pay for necessities? But there isn't any work. That's the point. So you're just paying people to starve more slowly. Many of these people can't find meaningful work, period.

So, big surprise, it will cost a lot more than he is willing to admit. And what happens when someone blows their money on something stupid (or just something they need) instead of healthcare/food stamps that they had previously? Guess we'll need more entitlements for that. Meanwhile whatever economy is left grinds to a halt.

This isn't going to work. We're all going to die.

Take the black pill.

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 Post subject: Re: Universal Basic Income of $1,000/Month
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again, how will I get rich in this system?

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 Post subject: Re: Universal Basic Income of $1,000/Month
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Do you guys have to shit on everything? Have some optimism. Maybe it's cause I'm about to have a baby... but it seems to me this can be done right, and it's the right way to go. Something has to be done for crying out loud. ALL THE TRUCKERS ARE GONNA BE UNEMPLOYED SOON

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I'm not shitting on it. I genuinely want to know if I can still become rich under this system?

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 Post subject: Re: Universal Basic Income of $1,000/Month
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I'm not shitting on it. I genuinely want to know if I can still become rich under this system?
Yes. But there's actually a more important, long-term goal of achieving a 'time banking' system, in which the aim is to value time well-spent, helping your neighbors, the elderly, etc.

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E.H. Ruddock wrote:
I'm not shitting on it. I genuinely want to know if I can still become rich under this system?
Yes. But there's actually a more important, long-term goal of achieving a 'time banking' system, in which the aim is to value time well-spent, helping your neighbors, the elderly, etc.

So, basically he just modeled this after Childhood's End?

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