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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Peterson
PostPosted: Thu June 21, 2018 7:08 pm 
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So Jordo took it to the next level today.

Not sure that I agree with this.



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Yeah, Dev. WTF?

Well, there was the Jim Jefferies thing. He was "wrong" but he admitted it. Still it was uncomfortable..

And then he decided to sue Wilfred Laurier University for comparing him to Hitler.

Something in his demeanor is off so I think he might be struggling a bit.

But yeah he's human...

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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Peterson
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Jesus, I think Malice tried that one on me once. How does he not know how to respond to that one?

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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Peterson
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Please, tell us how free markets are the solution to all of society's ills, Bi_3.

That never gets old.


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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Peterson
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Please, tell us how free markets are the solution to all of society's ills, Bi_3.

That never gets old.



It's not about free markets, it's about the limits of government compelled behavior.

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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Peterson
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We, as a society, have determined that being gay and loving who you want is OK. Almost 70% of all Americans believe gay marriage is the right thing to do.

Government-compelled behavior is nothing new in this country, you can and can't do lots of things.


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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Peterson
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That doesn't seem uncomfortable to me. I like that he can generally change his mind about things. He has much more difficult and challenging conversations with people a lot smarter than Jim Jefferies, and who have changed his mind on things.

To dev's other point: I agree he should probably take a break for awhile. It's kinda devolving into talking points and sound bites lately. His positions have been stated and restated (and misconstrued and taken out of context) a million times already. Show me what else you got.

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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Peterson
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We, as a society, have determined that being gay and loving who you want is OK. Almost 70% of all Americans believe gay marriage is the right thing to do.

Government-compelled behavior is nothing new in this country, you can and can't do lots of things.

I'm not really interested in what you are the government thinks is ok for me to do with my own life, and I don't care if there is a precedent for government compulsion or if 99% of the country thinks it's ok to curb my rights. There absolutely is a precedent, though, and it's mostly terrible.

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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Peterson
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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Peterson
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About to be.

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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Peterson
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As soon as I can figure out the difference between meaning and purpose.

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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Peterson
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Sorry, burt.

That was pretty insulting, I was honestly having problems reading your previous post.


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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Peterson
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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Peterson
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As soon as I can figure out the difference between meaning and purpose.

3:00 I’ve been meaning to get drunk all day.

5:30 And now I’ve gone and done it on purpose.

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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Peterson
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Sorry, burt.

That was pretty insulting, I was honestly having problems reading your previous post.

Basically I don't think rights are determined by majority consent, so it's not really relevant to me what society has decided is ok and what isn't when it comes to individual rights.

On the other hand, I don't buy the libertarian argument that these racist businesses would be outcompeted by more open businesses. That wouldn't be true in the segregationist era. On the other, other hand, if blacks were free from (often government and mob enforced) tyranny and were able to start their own businesses and operate in the same public spaces without being terrorized, then there wouldn't be a problem, and on a broader scale the most inclusive businesses would dominate eventually.

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But I think forced desegregation is merited in those extreme cases, especially with schools.

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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Peterson
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Sorry, burt.

That was pretty insulting, I was honestly having problems reading your previous post.

Basically I don't think rights are determined by majority consent, so it's not really relevant to me what society has decided is ok and what isn't when it comes to individual rights.

So then how are rights determined? If society doesn't decide , then what does?


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We, as a society, have determined that being gay and loving who you want is OK. Almost 70% of all Americans believe gay marriage is the right thing to do.

Government-compelled behavior is nothing new in this country, you can and can't do lots of things.


It’s ignorant to not make the cake, but we allow religion to influence commerce in many areas. What you should ask yourself is which harm / slippery slope trumps (how toxic is that word now?) the other: the hurt feelings of the discrimination victims or the government forcing someone to violate their widely held religious principles? I can see arguments on both sides. But the point is that the comparison with racial discrimination is not a completely fair one in that it presumes hate is the sole motivation.

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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Peterson
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Sorry, burt.

That was pretty insulting, I was honestly having problems reading your previous post.

Basically I don't think rights are determined by majority consent, so it's not really relevant to me what society has decided is ok and what isn't when it comes to individual rights.

So then how are rights determined? If society doesn't decide , then what does?

Oh that's a big question...

I'm a big "negative rights" guy, and don't think anyone has a right to compel others to do anything, but I'm full of contradictions and compromises so I try not to be too idealistic about it.

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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Peterson
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So do we like or dislike Jordan Peterson - I've skimmed through all the posts and I'm not sure....

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 Post subject: Re: Jordan Peterson
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So do we like or dislike Jordan Peterson - I've skimmed through all the posts and I'm not sure....


The person: no
A subset of his ideas: split along the usual lines

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