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Post subject: Re: Social Media: The God That Failed
Posted: Tue November 29, 2022 12:53 am
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dimejinky99 wrote:
Yeah twitters about to be pulled from the App Store
That guy is great and is a must read for tech, but he’s working on funding for a competitor to Twitter, so maybe take this with a grain of salt.
I’m still guessing it’s App X threatening Apple’s post hardware revenue streams (Apple Pay and their not-so-secret advertising business)
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Post subject: Re: Social Media: The God That Failed
Posted: Tue November 29, 2022 1:39 pm
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simple schoolboy wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
Elon is claiming Apple has threatened to pull them from the App Store. Has an app this big ever been pulled before?
Not nearly as big, but they laid the groundwork with Parler.
How would they gussy up their real reason (Musk is not censoring in an arbitrary and capricious way of our liking)?
The only justification that would make any sense would be failure to remove CSM, which Twitter has allegedly not been very good at historically.
I was unaware but apparently Fortnite was pulled for some time for not giving Apple the proper cut of in-app transactions. I assume this is exactly the issue here between Apple and Twitter 2.0 (App X) that Elon is trying to obfuscate with his ranting.
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Post subject: Re: Social Media: The God That Failed
Posted: Tue November 29, 2022 4:51 pm
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spike wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
It's not obfuscation. It's two issues being fought: apple censorship, and apple fees. He's complained about both, and one doesn't hide the other.
Do you feel Elon is being clear that these are two separate issues?
Does he need to be? But yeah, if he tweets attacking Apple for censorship, and also tweets about their fees, seems clear enough to me. What exactly is unclear?
What is the point of "obfuscating" here? Is there some worry about a backlash of people who love Apple taking 30% of every app's revenue? Why does he need to disguise this? i don't think most people care one way or the other, tbh. Most people don't see it as a 30% markup on their purchases. They should though.
What is even being obfuscated? I don't understand this theory.
Post subject: Re: Social Media: The God That Failed
Posted: Tue November 29, 2022 5:31 pm
An enigma of a man shaped hole in the wall between reality and the soul of the devil.
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Speaking of wacky theories, I love this idea that Elon Musk is trying to get more advertisers by attacking them. Maybe this strategy doesn't make sense because the assumption makes no sense? Billionaires don't buy media outlets because of the massive advertising profits lol. Bezos didn't buy Wapo to get into the lucrative (dying) newspaper industry. These people have more money than God.
Post subject: Re: Social Media: The God That Failed
Posted: Tue November 29, 2022 5:34 pm
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So I guess this means that if Apple did what the Google Play Store did last year and dropped their fee from 30% to 15%, he'd be fine with it. I'm in favor of that, as well.
I assume none of this public table pounding is related to Apple ceasing $50 million in advertising on Twitter.
Post subject: Re: Social Media: The God That Failed
Posted: Tue November 29, 2022 6:56 pm
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McParadigm wrote:
So I guess this means that if Apple did what the Google Play Store did last year and dropped their fee from 30% to 15%, he'd be fine with it. I'm in favor of that, as well.
I assume none of this public table pounding is related to Apple ceasing $50 million in advertising on Twitter.
Agree. The advertising spend is nothing compared to 30% of the now iconic $8 fee (and future in-app transactions).
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Post subject: Re: Social Media: The God That Failed
Posted: Tue November 29, 2022 7:27 pm
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Bi_3 wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
So I guess this means that if Apple did what the Google Play Store did last year and dropped their fee from 30% to 15%, he'd be fine with it. I'm in favor of that, as well.
I assume none of this public table pounding is related to Apple ceasing $50 million in advertising on Twitter.
Agree. The advertising spend is nothing compared to 30% of the now iconic $8 fee (and future in-app transactions).
It'll only take 1.6 million Apple users paying $8 a month for a blue check, for the 30% fee to equate to $50 million in lost advertising. The same loss as 3.2 million Android users, with Google's 15% fee.
Post subject: Re: Social Media: The God That Failed
Posted: Tue November 29, 2022 10:32 pm
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Joined: Wed April 20, 2016 7:11 pm Posts: 14139
McParadigm wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
So I guess this means that if Apple did what the Google Play Store did last year and dropped their fee from 30% to 15%, he'd be fine with it. I'm in favor of that, as well.
I assume none of this public table pounding is related to Apple ceasing $50 million in advertising on Twitter.
Agree. The advertising spend is nothing compared to 30% of the now iconic $8 fee (and future in-app transactions).
It'll only take 1.6 million Apple users paying $8 a month for a blue check, for the 30% fee to equate to $50 million in lost advertising. The same loss as 3.2 million Android users, with Google's 15% fee.
For most mobile software the money is in the post-sales transactions, buying pay-to-play things like Robux or Mine Coins (or whatever Fortnite sells) directly from in-app ads is how Twitter will become profitable (IIRC TikTok does this already in some parts of the world). The $8 is for the ego-boost as only about 0.1% of current users are TwitterBlue today, the real money is in what happens next.
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Post subject: Re: Social Media: The God That Failed
Posted: Wed November 30, 2022 12:48 am
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Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 4:18 am Posts: 27937
BurtReynolds wrote:
spike wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
It's not obfuscation. It's two issues being fought: apple censorship, and apple fees. He's complained about both, and one doesn't hide the other.
Do you feel Elon is being clear that these are two separate issues?
Does he need to be? But yeah, if he tweets attacking Apple for censorship, and also tweets about their fees, seems clear enough to me. What exactly is unclear?
What is the point of "obfuscating" here? Is there some worry about a backlash of people who love Apple taking 30% of every app's revenue? Why does he need to disguise this? i don't think most people care one way or the other, tbh. Most people don't see it as a 30% markup on their purchases. They should though.
What is even being obfuscated? I don't understand this theory.
Post subject: Re: Social Media: The God That Failed
Posted: Wed November 30, 2022 8:27 pm
Looks Like a Cat
Joined: Wed April 20, 2016 7:11 pm Posts: 14139
Going after youtube:
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