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I go to a zoo maybe once a year or so and I do enjoy the nicer ones. And there is legitimate conservation concerns for many species. The not so good zoos are really sad and depressing though. Atlanta has one of the best aquariums in the world and has both whale sharks and beluga whales on display. While their exhibits are huge I hate to think how they just spend their days and days swimming in circles on end. They're well cared for and there is no danger like an animal in the wild would have but the sense of confinement is definitely there to the aquarium visitor.
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whales don't belong in tanks, no matter what good things the tank owners do to make up for it
Would you say it's worse that an animal like a beluga whale be in a tank or that people who cannot afford to go whale watching never get the chance to see one?
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Would you say it's worse that an animal like a beluga whale be in a tank?
yes
I tend to think the same (despite is feeling like privilege flexing). Something in me just says "people need nature", probably my boomer-lefist upbringing.
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Bi_3 wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
Would you say it's worse that an animal like a beluga whale be in a tank?
yes
I tend to think the same (despite is feeling like privilege flexing). Something in me just says "people need nature", probably my boomer-lefist upbringing.
people don't have a fundamental right to interact with any animal you can feasibly capture and bring to the masses
there are plenty of opportunities to interact with nature and animals that don't involve putting whales in tanks
Would you say it's worse that an animal like a beluga whale be in a tank?
yes
I tend to think the same (despite is feeling like privilege flexing). Something in me just says "people need nature", probably my boomer-lefist upbringing.
people don't have a fundamental right to interact with any animal you can feasibly capture and bring to the masses
there are plenty of opportunities to interact with nature and animals that don't involve putting whales in tanks
go to a national park, visit a farm, etc, etc
This presumes economic ability. Perhaps whale was a bad example... sting ray?
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Bi_3 wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
Would you say it's worse that an animal like a beluga whale be in a tank?
yes
I tend to think the same (despite is feeling like privilege flexing). Something in me just says "people need nature", probably my boomer-lefist upbringing.
people don't have a fundamental right to interact with any animal you can feasibly capture and bring to the masses
there are plenty of opportunities to interact with nature and animals that don't involve putting whales in tanks
go to a national park, visit a farm, etc, etc
This presumes economic ability. Perhaps whale was a bad example... sting ray?
everything presumes economic ability, have you seen how much it is to get inside a good aquarium these days?
also, i don't think a blanket answer exists for all animals here. whales shouldn't be in tanks, elephants shouldn't be in cages, stingrays might be another story
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cutuphalfdead wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
Would you say it's worse that an animal like a beluga whale be in a tank?
yes
I tend to think the same (despite is feeling like privilege flexing). Something in me just says "people need nature", probably my boomer-lefist upbringing.
people don't have a fundamental right to interact with any animal you can feasibly capture and bring to the masses
there are plenty of opportunities to interact with nature and animals that don't involve putting whales in tanks
go to a national park, visit a farm, etc, etc
This presumes economic ability. Perhaps whale was a bad example... sting ray?
everything presumes economic ability, have you seen how much it is to get inside a good aquarium these days?
also, i don't think a blanket answer exists for all animals here. whales shouldn't be in tanks, elephants shouldn't be in cages, stingrays might be another story
Do bigger things have more value than smaller things?
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Kaius wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
Would you say it's worse that an animal like a beluga whale be in a tank?
yes
I tend to think the same (despite is feeling like privilege flexing). Something in me just says "people need nature", probably my boomer-lefist upbringing.
people don't have a fundamental right to interact with any animal you can feasibly capture and bring to the masses
there are plenty of opportunities to interact with nature and animals that don't involve putting whales in tanks
go to a national park, visit a farm, etc, etc
This presumes economic ability. Perhaps whale was a bad example... sting ray?
everything presumes economic ability, have you seen how much it is to get inside a good aquarium these days?
also, i don't think a blanket answer exists for all animals here. whales shouldn't be in tanks, elephants shouldn't be in cages, stingrays might be another story
Do bigger things have more value than smaller things?
No but I think more intellectually advanced creatures have a higher capacity for suffering and that has to be taken into account. Elephants mourn their dead, do stingrays?
Would you say it's worse that an animal like a beluga whale be in a tank?
yes
I tend to think the same (despite is feeling like privilege flexing). Something in me just says "people need nature", probably my boomer-lefist upbringing.
people don't have a fundamental right to interact with any animal you can feasibly capture and bring to the masses
there are plenty of opportunities to interact with nature and animals that don't involve putting whales in tanks
go to a national park, visit a farm, etc, etc
This presumes economic ability. Perhaps whale was a bad example... sting ray?
everything presumes economic ability, have you seen how much it is to get inside a good aquarium these days?
also, i don't think a blanket answer exists for all animals here. whales shouldn't be in tanks, elephants shouldn't be in cages, stingrays might be another story
Do bigger things have more value than smaller things?
Nobody's using mosquitos encased in amber to clone fucking mosquitos mate
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I don't doubt that zoos and aquariums for that matter are aware of and actively contributing to making conditions better for any animals, and hooray for that, but ultimately, zoos exist as a way to give people a way to look at them or whatevs... This is rather anachronistic isn't it? Also, re:endangered species and born in captivity animals... It's a lousy stop gap measure to me. It's just more of the same ole human behavior of destroy and kill, but build a zoo to house the refugees. I dunno, i haven't been to a proper zoo in years, and i always enjoyed the boston aquarium but it's not a good replacement for leaving animals alone to live in peace, regardless of the fact that asher made similar arguments about being vegan.
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Green Habit wrote:
I say it depends on each animal we're talking about. Animals that can be kept reasonably well in captivity strike me as a positive, particularly for kids (as mentioned above) that may marvel at nature's wonders and grow up to give nature its due respect. Animals where captivity is unreasonable should not be kept in zoos.
Here's an argument that resonates with me. Providing inspiration for the veterinarians, zoologists, wildlife researchers and conservationists of the future.
I personally find them to be rather depressing but i see value in them for 1) educational purposes and 2) perhaps rehabilitating certain species (endangered,what have you, etc)
Joined: Fri November 15, 2013 6:14 am Posts: 11136
i don't think a lot of these animals are "left alone to live in peace".
i feel like the zoo-opponents must think zoo directors are like Ronny Cox inspired billionaire sociopaths bent on cornering the animal confinement market
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