Wed June 26, 2019 1:22 am
Wed June 26, 2019 2:53 am
Wed June 26, 2019 3:23 am
Peeps wrote:Mickey wrote:Peeps wrote:warren, harris and a very distant third is sanders
Explain this logic to me. Sanders and Warren have very similar politics. Why does Harris come between them?
sanders is just too old. i realize hes not even 10 years older than warren(he'll be almost 80 at the time of election) but we do need someone a bit younger. the others im not impressed with at all even though they are younger so i am wagering age vs what i like about what i am hearing
Wed June 26, 2019 3:24 am
Wed June 26, 2019 3:28 am
tragabigzanda wrote:Mickey wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Mickey wrote:Sanders and Warren have very similar politics.
There are some huge differences in how their ideas would play out though.
Warren's highly detailed policies -- which mostly amount to "tax the super-rich, and impose modest taxes on those making between $100K-$250K." She has clear delineations of taxes/support for those beneath the poverty line, in the middle class, in the $100K-$250K bracket, $250K+, and then the "super rich" (not sure exactly where this starts). Her vision equates to a check on the capitalist/globalist system that has prospered on the back of everyone else since forever...
Bernie's policies, on the other hand, have typically been long on concept and short on details; and with the notable exception of his educational plan, are very much an off-shoot of socialism. Without much info, I see his ideas, in the long run, devolving into the Gov't-subsidized affluenza that Bi_3 mentioned the other day.
It'll be fun to watch the two of them debate.
I don't agree with your details here
How so?
Wed June 26, 2019 3:30 am
Bi_3 wrote:As things are evolving, I am less scared of Warren than I once was. I feel like she has the Obama vibe to her where she says dumb prog shit on the campaign trail but is smart enough not to try and enact any of it.
Wed June 26, 2019 4:00 am
Mickey wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Mickey wrote:tragabigzanda wrote:Mickey wrote:Sanders and Warren have very similar politics.
There are some huge differences in how their ideas would play out though.
Warren's highly detailed policies -- which mostly amount to "tax the super-rich, and impose modest taxes on those making between $100K-$250K." She has clear delineations of taxes/support for those beneath the poverty line, in the middle class, in the $100K-$250K bracket, $250K+, and then the "super rich" (not sure exactly where this starts). Her vision equates to a check on the capitalist/globalist system that has prospered on the back of everyone else since forever...
Bernie's policies, on the other hand, have typically been long on concept and short on details; and with the notable exception of his educational plan, are very much an off-shoot of socialism. Without much info, I see his ideas, in the long run, devolving into the Gov't-subsidized affluenza that Bi_3 mentioned the other day.
It'll be fun to watch the two of them debate.
I don't agree with your details here
How so?
I think you're using "affluenza" in a way that doesn't make any sense and glosses over the complicated history of socdem states--and I extrapolate that to think that your read of the impact of Sanders' policies is skewed. I also wouldn't use globalist to describe capitalist, given the redundancy and the fact that that's an alt-right term. But again, the main point I agree with entirely: Warren wants an ethical capitalism and Sanders wants a very light form of a centralized democratic state socialism.
Wed June 26, 2019 4:11 am
bart wrote:plus C. Thomas Howell is the original Rachel Dolezal
Wed June 26, 2019 4:11 am
meatwad wrote:bart wrote:plus C. Thomas Howell is the original Rachel Dolezal
This deserved some appreciation gang, WTF?
Wed June 26, 2019 4:12 am
Wed June 26, 2019 2:47 pm
Wed June 26, 2019 4:17 pm
I think the inverse is true too. I become more convinced every day that the socialist left refuses to accept Warren as anything close to an equal to Sanders simply on the grounds that she calls herself a capitalist and he calls himself a socialist.Rob wrote:Is she ok because she calls herself a capitalist while he's bad for using the term socialist?
Wed June 26, 2019 4:35 pm
Green Habit wrote:I think the inverse is true too. I become more convinced every day that the socialist left refuses to accept Warren as anything close to an equal to Sanders simply on the grounds that she calls herself a capitalist and he calls himself a socialist.Rob wrote:Is she ok because she calls herself a capitalist while he's bad for using the term socialist?
Wed June 26, 2019 4:49 pm
Wed June 26, 2019 5:20 pm
It was a good idea. I think the problem is that we know that at least half of these candidates shouldn't even be running.B wrote:That ranking thing didn't catch on like I'd hoped.
Wed June 26, 2019 5:24 pm
I wouldn't be surprised if there's a spot somewhere in Bernie's mind that wants to seize the means of production. But if so, his actions show that that's not going to happen in his lifetime, and he's not letting perfect be the enemy of what he sees as good, something that a lot of socialist left struggles with.Rob wrote:I agree completely. The anti-capitalist left is where I draw the line, personally. I don't think either of these candidates are anti one system or the other. It's about balance. Maybe I'm wrong, but I've just always seen these two as slightly different paths to the same place. They've both been doing this a long time, they're both authentic, and basically arguing the same thing from different approaches.Green Habit wrote:I think the inverse is true too. I become more convinced every day that the socialist left refuses to accept Warren as anything close to an equal to Sanders simply on the grounds that she calls herself a capitalist and he calls himself a socialist.Rob wrote:Is she ok because she calls herself a capitalist while he's bad for using the term socialist?
Wed June 26, 2019 5:30 pm
Wed June 26, 2019 5:30 pm
Wed June 26, 2019 5:59 pm
Beto 80%, Delaney 66%, Biden 64%, Kasich 44%, Trump 34%. All the other Dems and Johnson in the 70s.4/5 wrote:I Side With 2020 edition if anybody's bored.