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The problem with the election cycle being so long, and the constant shifting narratives from the unending internet news machine and I don’t know what to think anymore. It’s dizzying.
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Have you tried simply identifying Bernie Sanders as the only candidate able to articulate anything close to a moral vision for the future?
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VinylGuy wrote:
its really tiresome to see these ¨good guys¨ talking about any political stuff in tv while also being kinda funny and hip and cool....its just...please enough of this shit.
Being a Democrat means an endless cycle of wanting to vote for candidates who advocate for policies that enjoy broad popular support, listening to the media fret over whether Democrats have gone too far left, internalizing that, and then supporting Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden instead. It all pays off, though, when you get to watch yet another Republican President take a big shit on every dream you ever had. We should be renamed the “we are fucking cowards” national support group.
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If only there were an alternate framework for intimately understanding the workings of power and capital. Ah well, nevertheless.
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VinylGuy wrote:
its really tiresome to see these ¨good guys¨ talking about any political stuff in tv while also being kinda funny and hip and cool....its just...please enough of this shit.
Setting aside the political question of whether Pete should or shouldn't be poking at popular portions of the Democratic platform, are you guys suggesting that placing an income cap on who qualifies for fully-taxpayer-subsidized college education at $100k is a right wing position? From a policy standpoint, what is wrong with suggesting that a major entitlement program should be based on income?
_________________ "I want to see the whole picture--as nearly as I can. I don't want to put on the blinders of 'good and bad,' and limit my vision."-- In Dubious Battle
are you guys suggesting that placing an income cap on who qualifies for fully-taxpayer-subsidized college education at $100k is a right wing position?
No (I actually think that a robust national subsidizing of development-centered, nurturing early child care [ie universal child care] would be a better investment). I think it is primarily an unforced messaging error for the reasons stated above, by someone whose lack of experience means that he will be measured far more on his messaging than others might, and who didn't need to attack it in the first place. I also recognize his inherent reliance on logic sourced to conservative oppositional think pieces in the way that he attacks it.
are you guys suggesting that placing an income cap on who qualifies for fully-taxpayer-subsidized college education at $100k is a right wing position?
No (I actually think that a robust national subsidizing of development-centered, nurturing early child care [ie universal child care] would be a better investment). I think it is primarily an unforced messaging error for the reasons stated above, by someone whose lack of experience means that he will be measured far more on his messaging than others might, and who didn't need to attack it in the first place. I also recognize his inherent reliance on logic sourced to conservative oppositional think pieces in the way that he attacks it.
I see.
Putting aside the manner in which he rolled out his criticism, do you think it's an error for him to take that position? He isn't going to have any success with the party leftists anyway, so why not try to stake out the moderate ground by offering tempered policy alternatives that offer most of the benefits to what Berniwarren are proposing, without some of the elements that could potentially turn away some voters?
(Let me try to be clear--I am NOT arguing that Democrats need to take centrist positions to win this election, but I think it might be a perfectly reasonable strategy for this particular candidate to do just that. I didn't see the ad or however he rolled out that attack, but positions like this or a public option or Medicare for All if you want it seem like reasonable tweaks to what Warren and Bernie are offering that could contribute to a robust policy debate--not rightest attacks that threaten to torpedo all future Democratic progressivism.)
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It’s strange because I thought Trump was the pedophile. But now it seems his campaign team is accusing people of the things he’s more than likely guilty of.
are you guys suggesting that placing an income cap on who qualifies for fully-taxpayer-subsidized college education at $100k is a right wing position?
No (I actually think that a robust national subsidizing of development-centered, nurturing early child care [ie universal child care] would be a better investment). I think it is primarily an unforced messaging error for the reasons stated above, by someone whose lack of experience means that he will be measured far more on his messaging than others might, and who didn't need to attack it in the first place. I also recognize his inherent reliance on logic sourced to conservative oppositional think pieces in the way that he attacks it.
It absolutely would be. The social benefits to that are nearly immeasurable.
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are you guys suggesting that placing an income cap on who qualifies for fully-taxpayer-subsidized college education at $100k is a right wing position?
No (I actually think that a robust national subsidizing of development-centered, nurturing early child care [ie universal child care] would be a better investment). I think it is primarily an unforced messaging error for the reasons stated above, by someone whose lack of experience means that he will be measured far more on his messaging than others might, and who didn't need to attack it in the first place. I also recognize his inherent reliance on logic sourced to conservative oppositional think pieces in the way that he attacks it.
It absolutely would be. The social benefits to that are nearly immeasurable.
I would absolutely vote for someone who supports a system of universal child care.
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 6:02 am Posts: 9712 Location: Tristes Tropiques
pepperwhiteMFC wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
pepperwhiteMFC wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
I mean wtf
Yeah it does seem weird if you only watch 1 minute of a 15 minute speech.
the other 14 minutes make it seem less weird?
I’m not going say it’s not weird that black kids thought his blonde leg hairs were entertaining.
The least weird part of this clip is the scene Biden is ostensibly describing.
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VinylGuy wrote:
its really tiresome to see these ¨good guys¨ talking about any political stuff in tv while also being kinda funny and hip and cool....its just...please enough of this shit.
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