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Vote Before You Can Vote!
Donald Trump (R) 44%  44%  [ 59 ]
Joe Biden (D) 41%  41%  [ 55 ]
Jacob Hornberger (L) 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Howie Hawkins (G) 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Other 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
COVID-19 12%  12%  [ 16 ]
Total votes : 133
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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
PostPosted: Mon June 24, 2019 12:48 am 
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Of course it is. But it would disingenuous to say that an air strike is the same as a ground invasion.


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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
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Two things can be true:

1) The Iraq policies of both the Clinton and Dubya administrations were humanitarian disasters.
2) Dubya's Iraq policy was more of a humanitarian disaster than Clinton's was.


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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
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rUn FoR sEnAtE

Oh wait, he can't do so in PA until 2022, and they likely wouldn't want him to run anyway. So we need some other reason to go after this guy.




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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
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Green Habit wrote:
Two things can be true:

1) The Iraq policies of both the Clinton and Dubya administrations were humanitarian disasters.
2) Dubya's Iraq policy was more of a humanitarian disaster than Clinton's was.




Where do you think you are right now?

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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
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In response to Bee, maybe someone like her will be an even better candidate than someone like Beto.



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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
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Bi_3 wrote:
Green Habit wrote:
Two things can be true:

1) The Iraq policies of both the Clinton and Dubya administrations were humanitarian disasters.
2) Dubya's Iraq policy was more of a humanitarian disaster than Clinton's was.
Where do you think you are right now?
No clue...


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 Post subject: Rank the 2020 Democratic Candidates
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Better get this in before the first debate!

1. Kamala Harris (Senator, CA)
2. Elizabeth Warren (Senator, MA)
3. Kirsten Gillibrand (Senator, NY)
4. Cory Booker (Senator, NJ)
5. Amy Klobuchar (Senator, MN)
6. Bernie Sanders (Sentator, VT)
7. Tulsi Gabbard (Representative, HI)
8. Joe Biden (Former VP)
9. Tim Ryan (Representative, OH)
10. Beto O’Rourke (Former Rep., TX)
11. Pete Buttigieg (Mayor, South Bend, IN)
12. Julián Castro (Former Obama Housing Chief)
13. John Hickenlooper (Former Gov., CO)
14. Bill de Blasio (Mayor, NYC)
15. Andrew Yang (Businessman)

I am unaware of any facts about the following.

Michael Bennet (Senator, CO)
Steve Bullock (Governor, MT)
John Delaney (Former Rep., MD)
Mike Gravel (Former Sen., AK)
Jay Inslee (Governor, WA)
Wayne Messam (Mayor, Miramar, FL)
Seth Moulton (Representative, MA)
Joe Sestak (Former Rep., PA)
Eric Swalwell (Representative, CA)
Marianne Williamson (Author)

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 Post subject: Re: Rank the 2020 Democratic Candidates
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1. Elizabeth Warren
2. Everyone else


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 Post subject: Re: Rank the 2020 Democratic Candidates
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They are all awful.


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 Post subject: Re: Rank the 2020 Democratic Candidates
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tragabigzanda wrote:
1. Elizabeth Warren
2. Everyone else


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 Post subject: Re: Rank the 2020 Democratic Candidates
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My tier 1: Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Pete Buttigieg

My tier 2: Cory Booker, Amy Klobuchar, Andrew Yang

I don't feel anything for the rest so far. I like Joe Biden but not as a presidential candidate.


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 Post subject: Re: Rank the 2020 Democratic Candidates
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Tulsi

Yang



Sanders











Everyone else

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 Post subject: Re: Rank the 2020 Democratic Candidates
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If Trump were to win again, could we see upwards of fifty Republican and Democrat candidates in the next election?

I feel like this is the start of a trend...

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 Post subject: Re: Rank the 2020 Democratic Candidates
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Whoever can beat Trump. After that, don't care that much.


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 Post subject: Re: Rank the 2020 Democratic Candidates
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1. Sanders
2. Warren
3. Gillibrand (huge drop-off here)
4. Buttigieg (primarily because of his father)
5. Harris

Those are the only five I would even consider doing any get out the vote work for, and really the question for me is between the first two. Beyond that, there's the detestable Mitt Romney Republican crew of Biden, Beto, etc, the single-issue psychos like Moulton, the completely indistinguishable white guys who should merge into one super-candidate (Bullock, Bennett, Swalwell, Hickenlooper, Ryan), and a couple of no-chance weirdos (of which Gravel and Gabbard are by far the best on certain issues). Biden, Booker, and Delaney seem to be the worst right now but that's really anyone's game.


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 Post subject: Re: Rank the 2020 Democratic Candidates
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warren, harris and a very distant third is sanders

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 Post subject: Re: Rank the 2020 Democratic Candidates
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warren, harris and a very distant third is sanders


Explain this logic to me. Sanders and Warren have very similar politics. Why does Harris come between them?


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 Post subject: Re: Rank the 2020 Democratic Candidates
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Mickey wrote:
Sanders and Warren have very similar politics.

There are some huge differences in how their ideas would play out though.

Warren's highly detailed policies -- which mostly amount to "tax the super-rich, and impose modest taxes on those making between $100K-$250K." She has clear delineations of taxes/support for those beneath the poverty line, in the middle class, in the $100K-$250K bracket, $250K+, and then the "super rich" (not sure exactly where this starts). Her vision equates to a check on the capitalist/globalist system that has prospered on the back of everyone else since forever...

Bernie's policies, on the other hand, have typically been long on concept and short on details; and with the notable exception of his educational plan, are very much an off-shoot of socialism. Without much info, I see his ideas, in the long run, devolving into the Gov't-subsidized affluenza that Bi_3 mentioned the other day.

It'll be fun to watch the two of them debate.


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1. Elizabeth Warren
2. Everyone else

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