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 Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
PostPosted: Fri September 14, 2018 6:14 pm 
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Yeah, I'm not really sure how any source could state outright that the agreement has nothing to do with the Trump campaign. And if the counsel had carved out some kind of agreement that Manafort would help them with everything but Trump, I can't believe Manafort's lawyers would be gullible enough to accept that on faith alone. I would think that would have been part of the agreement.


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Long-story-short: This is not just a Trump-Russia investigation, but rather a Trump-Russia-Ukraine-Saudi Arabia-Israel investigation. There are a number of players and info that Manafort could be discussing that are still quite valuable to Mueller, and could all be delivered without sending Trump into overdrive because they allow the press to report "No info on Trump." Seth's favorite players for such a deal are Trump Jr, Prince, Bannon, etc.


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Yeah, I'm not really sure how any source could state outright that the agreement has nothing to do with the Trump campaign

The reporter that NPR was quoting for that piece has corrected their reporting.

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Yeah, I'm not really sure how any source could state outright that the agreement has nothing to do with the Trump campaign

The reporter that NPR was quoting for that piece has corrected their reporting.


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why wouldn't trump pardon him to keep him from singing?


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why wouldn't trump pardon him to keep him from singing?

He signaled it often enough. As I’ve said, I think that some of what Manafort knew was due to come out in this trial would have made it too politically expensive...and that maybe the midterms would make it even more so.

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why wouldn't trump pardon him to keep him from singing?

He signaled it often enough. As I’ve said, I think that some of what Manafort knew was due to come out in this trial would have made it too politically expensive...and that maybe the midterms would make it even more so.

Manafort now wouldn't want to be pardoned, because a pardon would go against the terms of the deal. He'd be forfeiting whatever gains he got, the rest of his assets could be seized, and he would die in jail.


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why wouldn't trump pardon him to keep him from singing?

He signaled it often enough. As I’ve said, I think that some of what Manafort knew was due to come out in this trial would have made it too politically expensive...and that maybe the midterms would make it even more so.

Manafort now wouldn't want to be pardoned, because a pardon would go against the terms of the deal. He'd be forfeiting whatever gains he got, the rest of his assets could be seized, and he would die in jail.

Would he be in jail if pardoned? Assets and all that stuff, i understand, but isn't the point of the pardon to keep him out of dying in jail?


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why wouldn't trump pardon him to keep him from singing?

He signaled it often enough. As I’ve said, I think that some of what Manafort knew was due to come out in this trial would have made it too politically expensive...and that maybe the midterms would make it even more so.

Manafort now wouldn't want to be pardoned, because a pardon would go against the terms of the deal. He'd be forfeiting whatever gains he got, the rest of his assets could be seized, and he would die in jail.

Would he be in jail if pardoned? Assets and all that stuff, i understand, but isn't the point of the pardon to keep him out of dying in jail?

His deal with Mueller caps his sentencing at five years per charge, plus Mueller will recommend a shorter sentence. Abramason estimates that Manafort will be out of prison around the age of 80. If he gets pardoned by Trump, that forfeits the deal; Mueller/the DOJ could then take him to trial on those charges he's just made a deal on, and he would then certainly die in prison.


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We just talked about why this effectively nullifies any pardon ambitions earlier today. :?

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We just talked about why this effectively nullifies any pardon ambitions earlier today. :?

Yes but this is a group who constantly re-ranks that which has previously been ranked. Certainly the machinations of a Conspiracy Against the United States case are worth the occasional revisit?


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