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 Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
PostPosted: Sun February 18, 2018 6:36 pm 
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Why would anyone want to live in a hellscape that necessitates arming teachers

What if it works and reduces school shootings? Would that be an acceptable trade off? What if it has no impact, but the mere concession allows popular gun reform to get pass that does have an effect? Would it be worth it then?

Should we continue our current path, getting angry after every shooting, shaming Republicans for accepting NRA donations and expecting Democrats to pass bold reform, only to see nothing change and, in many instances, legislation becoming less restrictive? https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/more-killings-more-guns/541905/

I'm assuming you're like me and that you don't live in an area with a high number of people carrying concealed weapons. So my bias is to imagine this scenario as odd, or as you say, a hellscape, but it's probably more likely than it's perfectly normal to the people that live in these areas. We already have kids practicing lockdown drills, is an armed teacher with the proper training really that much worse?

I grew up in the Midwest. I live in Colorado. I have been around guns my whole life. Arming teachers is fucked up and ignores the root of our country’s gun problem. The NRA-backed GOP and ineffectual Dems are absolutely stopping the measures that need to happen.

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 Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
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LoathedVermin72 wrote:
Dscans wrote:
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Why would anyone want to live in a hellscape that necessitates arming teachers

What if it works and reduces school shootings? Would that be an acceptable trade off? What if it has no impact, but the mere concession allows popular gun reform to get pass that does have an effect? Would it be worth it then?

Should we continue our current path, getting angry after every shooting, shaming Republicans for accepting NRA donations and expecting Democrats to pass bold reform, only to see nothing change and, in many instances, legislation becoming less restrictive? https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/more-killings-more-guns/541905/

I'm assuming you're like me and that you don't live in an area with a high number of people carrying concealed weapons. So my bias is to imagine this scenario as odd, or as you say, a hellscape, but it's probably more likely than it's perfectly normal to the people that live in these areas. We already have kids practicing lockdown drills, is an armed teacher with the proper training really that much worse?

I grew up in the Midwest. I live in Colorado. I have been around guns my whole life. Arming teachers is fucked up and ignores the root of our country’s gun problem. The NRA-backed GOP and ineffectual Dems are absolutely stopping the measures that need to happen.

Bravo, good sir.


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 Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
PostPosted: Sun February 18, 2018 7:56 pm 
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LoathedVermin72 wrote:
Dscans wrote:
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Why would anyone want to live in a hellscape that necessitates arming teachers

What if it works and reduces school shootings? Would that be an acceptable trade off? What if it has no impact, but the mere concession allows popular gun reform to get pass that does have an effect? Would it be worth it then?

Should we continue our current path, getting angry after every shooting, shaming Republicans for accepting NRA donations and expecting Democrats to pass bold reform, only to see nothing change and, in many instances, legislation becoming less restrictive? https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/more-killings-more-guns/541905/

I'm assuming you're like me and that you don't live in an area with a high number of people carrying concealed weapons. So my bias is to imagine this scenario as odd, or as you say, a hellscape, but it's probably more likely than it's perfectly normal to the people that live in these areas. We already have kids practicing lockdown drills, is an armed teacher with the proper training really that much worse?

I grew up in the Midwest. I live in Colorado. I have been around guns my whole life. Arming teachers is fucked up and ignores the root of our country’s gun problem. The NRA-backed GOP and ineffectual Dems are absolutely stopping the measures that need to happen.

So you would make no concessions and change nothing about the left's approach to dealing with this issue, even if, as the link I posted alluded to, it becomes counter productive? Is there a different restriction you would concede if it meant getting change that you want?
If the NRA ever stops blocking funding to gun research and the CDC presents evidence that loosening restrictions on gun free zones reduces shootings, would you change your stance?
I just want to state that I have no idea what the answer is, I just know that what we're doing is not working.

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 Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
PostPosted: Sun February 18, 2018 9:42 pm 
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Gun deaths since 1968 (when data first started being collected) - 1,516,863

Americans killed in War since Americas founding (including Revolutionary War, Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq 1, Afghanistan, Iraq 2 and many others) - 1,396,733


1 - Its shocking how low the number killed in war is, when you consider how many Russians, Germans, Chinese, Japanese and Jews suffered during WW2. Those 4 countries all lost more in WW2 than the US has lost total.

2 - How can anyone seriously say we do not have a gun problem in this country? You are statistically safer living in a war zone as an American.


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 Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
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MadTIGERmaN wrote:
Gun deaths since 1968 (when data first started being collected) - 1,516,863

Americans killed in War since Americas founding (including Revolutionary War, Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq 1, Afghanistan, Iraq 2 and many others) - 1,396,733


1 - Its shocking how low the number killed in war is, when you consider how many Russians, Germans, Chinese, Japanese and Jews suffered during WW2. Those 4 countries all lost more in WW2 than the US has lost total.

2 - How can anyone seriously say we do not have a gun problem in this country? You are statistically safer living in a war zone as an American.

But aren't the majority of gun deaths in America suicides? Unless you're the one pulling the trigger, I'm pretty sure America is safer than a war zone.

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Aaron Feis, assistant football coach and school security specialist was trying to shield students from bullets when he was fatally shot.

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 Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
PostPosted: Mon February 19, 2018 1:44 am 
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drone bodyguards can solve this

let them fly around schools with x-ray vision and spot weirdos walking in with AR-15's

then the robots fire lasers at the shooter's eyes and dick

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Aaron Feis, assistant football coach and school security specialist was trying to shield students from bullets when he was fatally shot.

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:cry:


Can't wait to hear what RM thinks about this one.

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 Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
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 Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
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Dscans wrote:
MadTIGERmaN wrote:
Gun deaths since 1968 (when data first started being collected) - 1,516,863

Americans killed in War since Americas founding (including Revolutionary War, Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq 1, Afghanistan, Iraq 2 and many others) - 1,396,733


1 - Its shocking how low the number killed in war is, when you consider how many Russians, Germans, Chinese, Japanese and Jews suffered during WW2. Those 4 countries all lost more in WW2 than the US has lost total.

2 - How can anyone seriously say we do not have a gun problem in this country? You are statistically safer living in a war zone as an American.

But aren't the majority of gun deaths in America suicides? Unless you're the one pulling the trigger, I'm pretty sure America is safer than a war zone.


I think its around 60% are suicide?

That's the funny part, school shootings are only 1% of all mass shootings in America. Majority of mass shootings are at work places. So we could turn schools into the most secure facility in the world, and its only going to take off a small percentage of gun deaths. But dead kids on the news is way more riveting than Bob and Jim on the floor of some office building after Jerry decided to go on a rampage because he didn't get his raise.

Course there are neighborhoods in America that are probably worse than some war zones.


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 Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
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i wonder how Bezos will solve this

maybe something with magnets

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 Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
PostPosted: Tue February 20, 2018 3:59 pm 
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I'm talking about the generation that is in high school now affecting change by the time they are my age. OBVIOUSLY this isn't happening in the next year or two. But if these kids run for local office and then become the leaders of tomorrow and then can affect real change by the time they have a majority power...

Or when they grow up they'll realize that lobby money talks and they'll cash in.

So we'll have a second generation of baby boomers? Fucking great.


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bune wrote:

Yeah but there's green out the window,
So it's not february

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bune wrote:
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I'm talking about the generation that is in high school now affecting change by the time they are my age. OBVIOUSLY this isn't happening in the next year or two. But if these kids run for local office and then become the leaders of tomorrow and then can affect real change by the time they have a majority power...

Or when they grow up they'll realize that lobby money talks and they'll cash in.

So we'll have a second generation of baby boomers? Fucking great.

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AND of course we can't have nice things: Tons of comments on the video about how it's actually an illegal modification and he's going to get a visit from the ATF.


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AND of course we can't have nice things: Tons of comments on the video about how it's actually an illegal modification and he's going to get a visit from the ATF.


Its kinda what led to Ruby Ridge. In that case it was shotguns with barrels cut down just shy of the legal limit. He won't get a visit from the ATF for the same reason the DC? New York? police didn't visit the reporter that brought a 30 round magazine into the city for a 60 minutes or whatever.


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The language is sufficiently vague as to possibly prohibit any after market modification (springs, bolt carrier, etc.). I look forward to being a felon because of slightly lighter trigger pull. :ohyeah!:


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