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 Post subject: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Prime?
PostPosted: Tue June 27, 2017 4:49 pm 
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Shawn Kemp or Blake Griffin?

Debate.

Then suggest a new debate. Such as Isiah Thomas or John Stockton.

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 Post subject: Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri
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Are we talking basketball or fathering children?

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 Post subject: Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri
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I'd take Griffin by a hair if both players are healthy. His passing/playmaking ability trumps the pure athleticism of Kemp.


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 Post subject: Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri
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Kemp was more than just dunks, you idiots.

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 Post subject: Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri
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verb_to_trust wrote:
Kemp was more than just dunks, you idiots.


He also got really fat for no reason than just being bored/lazy. Had to downgrade him some points for that.


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 Post subject: Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri
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Kemp all day not even close.


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 Post subject: Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri
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Yeah, Kemp. Also, Kemp had a drive that I just don't see in Griffin.

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 Post subject: Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri
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Monkey_Driven wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:
Kemp was more than just dunks, you idiots.


He also got really fat for no reason than just being bored/lazy. Had to downgrade him some points for that.


How about Blake being constantly injured and breaking his hand on that equipment manager/secret gay lover guys face? Blake has already peaked and Kemp made a Finals. Would have won it too if it weren't for the Goat.

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 Post subject: Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri
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verb_to_trust wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:
Kemp was more than just dunks, you idiots.


He also got really fat for no reason than just being bored/lazy. Had to downgrade him some points for that.


How about Blake being constantly injured and breaking his hand on that equipment manager/secret gay lover guys face? Blake has already peaked and Kemp made a Finals. Would have won it too if it weren't for the Goat.


True, true. I think Griffin is a more well rounded player, but you're probably right, Kemp's prime was a little better. Plus, dunkz.


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 Post subject: Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri
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Kemp. He had a good 10-year run where he probably averaged 18/10. Griffin can be spectacular, but has only had like 2 or 3 full seasons. Griffin wouldn't last 2 games in the NBA Kemp played in.

I'll take Zeke over Stockton all day.


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Shawn Kemp was fucking BOSS. :worthy:


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 Post subject: Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri
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I think you can make a case for Zeke being the toughest guard in NBA history. Dude took a fucking beating nightly and played through brutal injuries.

Jordan wouldn't be the player he was without Zeke.

Edit: I think I'm gonna have to watch the Pistons 30 for 30 again. THAT was how basketball should be played.


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 Post subject: Re: A thread for Master Debaters: Who do you take in his Pri
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Hakeem vs. Shaq?

I don't think it's that close.

Hakeem's elite defense and athleticism clearly puts him on top, but I'm guessing the average NBA fan would think I'm nuts.

As I said in another thread, Hakeem had 2 of the best playoff runs in NBA history. I know those runs get glossed over because they were during Jordan's first retirement, but he was just unstoppable and exuded a kind of otherworldly grace and athleticism that was just beautiful.


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Hakeem vs. Shaq?

I don't think it's that close.

Hakeem's elite defense and athleticism clearly puts him on top, but I'm guessing the average NBA fan would think I'm nuts.

As I said in another thread, Hakeem had 2 of the best playoff runs in NBA history. I know those runs get glossed over because they were during Jordan's first retirement, but he was just unstoppable and exuded a kind of otherworldly grace and athleticism that was just beautiful.


Depends on if it Shaq is in shape or not.


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Even in-shape Shaq was a joke at defending the pick and roll.

I know Phil talks extensively in one of his books about Shaq's D being those Lakers teams biggest liability.

Meanwhile, Hakeem was two-time Defensive Player of the Year.


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Didn't Phil trash everyone in his books?

I'd take Hakeem. He would be great in today's NBA too.


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Kemp
Zeke and it's not close
Hakeem

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Even in today's NBA, I have a hard time seeing Stockton's assist records ever being touch. It's basically the equivalent of Rice's receiving stats.

Yet, he would struggle to get into my top 10 all-time PG list.

His actual value as a player was sooooo much less than his numbers. I realize that's got to do with his longevity and the kind of offense those Jazz teams ran, but still...


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run2death wrote:
Even in today's NBA, I have a hard time seeing Stockton's assist records ever being touch. It's basically the equivalent of Rice's receiving stats.

Yet, he would struggle to get into my top 10 all-time PG list.

His actual value as a player was sooooo much less than his numbers. I realize that's got to do with his longevity and the kind of offense those Jazz teams ran, but still...


He wore short shorts though, so he's good in my book.


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run2death wrote:
Hakeem vs. Shaq?

I don't think it's that close.

Hakeem's elite defense and athleticism clearly puts him on top, but I'm guessing the average NBA fan would think I'm nuts.

As I said in another thread, Hakeem had 2 of the best playoff runs in NBA history. I know those runs get glossed over because they were during Jordan's first retirement, but he was just unstoppable and exuded a kind of otherworldly grace and athleticism that was just beautiful.


That's a tough one, Shaq seems like the obvious choice, but Hakeem was sooooo good for those mid-90s Rockets teams, in addition to being damn good before that too. Probably go with Shaq just because he turned 3 different franchises into championship teams overnight, but man I really liked those Rockets teams.


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